Yes, the LooseChange doco is probably one of the best out there, if not THE best. There are a few versions about, some with the dubious Pentagon missile stuff cut out. Not that it is necessarily incorrect, just that the creator(s) figured that it was a grey area that could damage the cause by setting up a strawman for debunkers to take down.

Excellent stuff, thanks for posting the links!
---Ryan

Thank you! Downloading now...

Interesting stuff. I'd seen a lot of it before in a couple of vids ("9/11: The Road to Tyranny" and "9/11: In Plane Sight". But some of it is new to me. Like the "bin Laden" video.

Over all it was a well done peice. Not saying that I am convinced or anything like that. Alot of the so called evidence presented by both sides of this debate is somewhat questionable.

That being said I dont believe the makers of this documentary did themselves any favors using a call from the howard stern show as a credible eye witness report.

All in all Im glad I took the time to sit down and watch it. Thank you for the links.

Originally posted by PowerMac
Interesting stuff. I'd seen a lot of it before in a couple of vids ("9/11: The Road to Tyranny" and "9/11: In Plane Sight". But some of it is new to me. Like the "bin Laden" video.

You should check out Martial Law by Alex Jones. He goes into detail about how/why WTC even fell..

Originally posted by ThichHeadedYou should check out Martial Law by Alex Jones. He goes into detail about how/why WTC even fell..

"Rise of the Police State"? Got that one, too. The guy who's agitating is funny as hell.

And I've even got Alex's Bohemian Grove video. Truly weird.

Thaks for the links. Pretty good documentary, tho I think it is a red herring to focus on 747 "flashes:, pentagon "missles", and 93 being shot down. Martial Law 9/11 avoids the out there stuff and focuses on compiling all the overwhelming evidence.

Just finished watching the video.

I agree that the flashes and missile stuff were a bit of a stretch.

IMO I don't see a missile firing, or any signifigance to the flash. In some of the pictures I can't even tell what they see as strange.

The pentagon stuff they were all over the place and contradicted themselves quite a bit. One minute it's an aging fighter jet, the next minute it's a tomahawk. It seems to me that a plane definitely hit, and the evidence i've seen points to some sort of commercial airliner.

One of the problems I had with it is that they woud state things as absolute fact. They say it's impossible for one thing to happen, and yet don't give any proof towards their theories, other than a few statements here and there, usually eye witness.

They also contradict themselves about the lobby of the WTC. First they say that there was no soot, just broken windows. Then they show firemen talking about total devastation and burned bodies lying everywhere. Which one is it, hardly any damage, or enormous damage?

It definetly brought out some good questions, but the complete lack of objectivity I found annoying. You can tell that they are only interested in expressing what their view is, not in finding the truth.

I think it possible that 93 was shot down, but that cell phone faking I find too much. The article they quote says that they need at least a ten minute sample to fake voices. Where did they get the samples for those random people? Also, I have made cell phone calls from cruising planes, it's not as impossible as it sounds. Not to mention the airphones that some planes have on every seat.


So overall I found it unconvincing. The so-called squibs seem like a natural result of the unimaginable forces at play during the collapse. Blurry video and eye witness accounts may say something, but it is not definite proof.

I do agree that some things are being hidden, but concentrating on a demolition, or missile theory really does distract from the bigger issues at hand. Either way the buildings came down and it's entirely possible that the administration let it happen.

Good work but the focus aspect/facts have aged, and it's much worse then that. It is the America I live in though, on and behind the screen of the that documentary.

Technically well done, and only dent I can put in is the VO to stock error, when VO references a cruise missile, VO shows Javelin launch cutting to a non related desert camo T72 explosion. Given that the external fuel tanks can and do detonate during rear aspect attacks, usually a noticeable delay time consistent with such shape charge ignitions is present.

A small inconsistency, which does not even come close to the culture corporate media fallacy and History channel type propaganda, all of which are clearly apparent to a clear mind and a seeing eye.

The real problem is with the utter destruction of American masses ability to reason and comprehend basic information patterns. Logical, critical and cognitive thinking abilities of our various social layers are continuously under coordinated attack.

Example,

By LeftBehind;

"The pentagon stuff they were all over the place and contradicted themselves quite a bit. One minute it's an aging fighter jet, the next minute it's a tomahawk."

It could be ether mental inability to follow a sentence, or most probably basic denial and inability of coping. It's the bread and butter of every advertiser, politician, charlatan, propagandist, agitator, etc and has been used since the dawn of civilisation. Add paranoia and delusions of grander and you end up with basic ingredients of a tyrannical social order.

Yea I read the rest of the post, it's typical denial. Similar to how domestic abuse victims deny the reality and continue to "love" their abusers, passionately justifying any act of violence and abuse inficted upon them.

Dear LeftBehind, you don't have to be left behind, reason does suck and it does cut both ways, but it's still much better then slavery, be it physical, economic, spiritual or mental. God be with you.

Sure Iskander, it couldn't be that you are willing to blame anything on Bush, and deny that any terrorists exist. It's much easier to be delusional and think that everything is done by the NWO.

About being in denial.

Yes I suppose my post was in denial.

Denial of Ignorance.

Did you have anything to add to the subject, or are your controllers telling you to attack the messengers only, and keep the disinfo alive?

Or are we all mind controlled and none of it even happened?

I guess reason just cuts both ways.