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A confirmation of this time is in the book of Revelation. Historian Ernest L. Martin consulted NASA lunar-phase tables and found the image of the heavens in Revelation 12 showed where the sun and the moon were, relative to Virgo, at the time Jesus was born, pin-pointing sunset of September 11th of 3 BC. It seems the moon moves so quickly it is "beneath the feet" of Virgo only a few hours every month. Moreover, the moon comes within two lunar diameters of Virgo's feet at the time of a new moon but once in 30 years.
The only such occurance any time near the birth of Jesus was on September 11th, 3 BC.
Most previous attempts at determining the birth time were based upon astrology and dating the Star of Bethlehem. No one considered 3 BC because that year had erroneously been assumed to follow Herod's death. However, Dr. Martin has proven that Herod did not die in 4 BC, but in 1 BC. Scholars are now generally accepting the new chronology for Herod, and this in turn has allowed the confirmation of the New Testament date for the birth of Jesus. Unfortunately, many churches continue to promote the critics' errors and
paganized traditions about the Nativity.
2000th lunar anniversary of the birth of Jesus was August 22, 1998
Originally posted by djohnsto77
I always thought Jesus was born in or around springtime...
In Luke's time, Yom Kippur was called three things: The day of the "Fast," the day of the "Purification,"and the day of "Redemption." Luke uses all three to identify the day Jesus was brought to the Temple.
And if there were any doubt that it was Yom Kippur, Luke tells of a woman named Anna who had been in the Temple for a "night and day" without leaving. There was ONLY ONE DAY A YEAR when a person could pray overnight in the Temple: Yom Kippur. All other days, the Temple was locked at sundown.
Originally posted by queenannie38edsinger, there is a problem with the link you gave; specifically in reference to these statements:
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
We celebrate Christmas on the 25th because it is the celebration of Yule. It was changed by the Christians because they wanted to claim it for there own. It is a Pagan holiday that celebrates the winter solstice, on the 22nd and the days will be getting longer from there on out. This is why we have christmas trees, it is bringing an evergreen in the home to remind us that the harsh days of winter will be over in the spring.
I wish you people would get these things right in your head. Maybe the world would be a more forgiving place if you used your brain.
An harm none, do what thou will.
Blessed Be, LGM
Originally posted by queenannie38
The census required that families returned to the town of their birth (I guess the head of the family's birthplace).
Originally posted by LoneGunManI am not stating that you should not celebrate Christs birth jus admit you stole it from the Pagans,
While I agree it is very important that we believe and celebrate the Virgin birth--I can't help but feel it does really matter. If we celebrate Christ on a day that we know is not Christ's--that we are reasonably certain is all about Baal--the LORD's enemy--if we continue to do this after we know, is that okay? Or is it basically 'eating food sacrificed to idols?' Is it being loyal and faithful to He who Saves?
Originally posted by edsinger
Does it really matter? We celebrate the birth of the Savior on Dec 25th, we all know it probably wasn't on that day, but in reality it doesn't matter, it just matters that we celebrate the Virgin birth.
Are you referring to the G of T that is also known as 'the Secret Sayings of Jesus' or is there another one?
Originally posted by The Vagabond
3 BC is problematic in one respect. According to the Gospel of Thomas (yes, I know it's not in the bible) It was Herod who cornered Pilate into killing Christ. According to that gospel, Pilate was friends with Joseph of Arimethea and tried to save Christ (actually you can read something relatively similiar in the cannonized gospels- Pilate clearly defies the Jews until they play the "no friend of caesar" card- a card that Thomas says was played not by the Jews, but by Herod.
I don't think we are to look to the skies, in that manner, to determine these 'times and seasons.' I think they are important, crucial, even--but not in the sense of astrologic transits and what-not. Those are men's creations--the story of the world can be found in the mazzaroth (zodiac), that is, the story of the fall and the restoration--but this is told as the wheel turns in the sky, not according to planetary transits. From my understanding, the planets all represent the 'other angels'--hence they are all named according to Greek gods, etc.... except Saturn--Saturn seems somehow to represent Saturday, the Sabbath and LORD Saboath? (I don't know for sure). Although I say that, I don't attach any significance to that planet (although it is certainly gorgeous and mysterious!), or any other. I'm not sure if it's 'correct'--if it is, it is beyond my current sensibilities.
Interestingly, you said that a new moon crosses Virgo's feet every 30 years. Wouldn't that put the traditional 33 BC date dead on?
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
I am not stating that you should not celebrate Christs birth jus admit you stole it from the Pagans,