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Originally posted by futuretense
Yeah now old Pat wants to change his story to kidnapping?........and our taking him out would have been better that conducting a war to oust him?
So is he saying that we conduct wars to kidnap guys like this.....not defeat or kill them mind you............just kidnap them right Pat?............
Originally posted by nikelbee
Remember that a lot of times we repeat the propaganda from our governments verbatim because they want us to think ALL socialists are bad and are threatening our way of life. If anyone is threatening our way of life it is our own government. Have you seen oil prices lately? Or house prices? Look how much money is being spent on the war. How much of our population needs health care? How many are illiterate and unskilled? Did you read about the states declaring State of Emergency because of border problems and lack of funding?
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Originally posted by nikelbee
Shots
In the article it says they have already done something similar with Cuba and just signed a deal with Jamaica to do the same.
Apparently they 'swap' the oil for services, for those who cannot pay the prices.
I'm unsure whether this same thing could work in the US, but it isn't a new concept. Lots of country doctors and lawyers used to take payment in services or goods when money wasn't available.
Originally posted by kilendrial
Just have gas cost more for the guy that pulls up with the jaguar compared to the guy in a car that is 10 years old and sputters. Or if the neighborhood is poor, have that station charge less. I don't see Hugo's plan for the poor working any other way in the U.S. including exchanging gas for services.
First you can not base sales on the type of car you drive and obviously you are not aware that many rich people drive old cars, they got richer by not buying new ones
Second just because a neigbohood is poor does not make everyone living in that area poor. Using your logic those who are not poor could just pull up to the pumps and fill up at lower prices and do not forget that others from outside those areas could also pull up to those pumps and fill up.
Originally posted by kilendrial
And are you sure you "can't" do this. Is this determination based on law?
Originally posted by nikelbee
As I said in my post - I am unsure how this will work.
I'm sure if it is true we will hear about it in future.
Originally posted by shots
But you said they already did it in Cuba, how did they do it there and be specific?
The "Integral Cooperation Accord" signed by Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez in October 2000 laid the groundwork for a quasi-barter exchange of Venezuelan oil for Cuban goods and services that has since become a lifeline keeping Havana afloat.
The original agreement (2) sealed by Castro and Chavez in Caracas in 2000 allowed for the sale, at market prices, of up to 53,000 barrels per day of crude oil and derivatives (diesel, gasoline, jet fuel, etc.) by PDVSA, Venezuela's state-owned petroleum company, to its Cuban counterpart, CUPET.
Under the accord, PDVSA extended preferential payment terms to CUPET, including 90-day short-term financing instead of the 30 days offered to its other customers and, in lieu of a standard letter of credit backed by an international bank, PDVSA accepted IOUs from Cuba's Banco Nacional, the central banking entity responsible for servicing Havana's foreign debt. Last but not least, the accord established a long-term financing plan, at a token interest rate, on up to 25 percent of the value of oil shipments to the island.
For its part, Havana committed to sending its physicians and other healthcare specialists to work in underserved areas in Venezuela, at no additional costs to Caracas other than room and board for Cuban personnel.
Pat Roberston remarked a few days ago that Chavez should be assassinated as it would be cheaper and easier than going to war.
Originally posted by nikelbee
Being Specific...
The "Integral Cooperation Accord" signed by Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez in October 2000 laid the groundwork for a quasi-barter exchange of Venezuelan oil for Cuban goods and services that has since become a lifeline keeping Havana afloat.
The original agreement (2) sealed by Castro and Chavez in Caracas in 2000 allowed for the sale, at market prices, of up to 53,000 barrels per day of crude oil and derivatives (diesel, gasoline, jet fuel, etc.) by PDVSA, Venezuela's state-owned petroleum company, to its Cuban counterpart, CUPET.
Under the accord, PDVSA extended preferential payment terms to CUPET, including 90-day short-term financing instead of the 30 days offered to its other customers and, in lieu of a standard letter of credit backed by an international bank, PDVSA accepted IOUs from Cuba's Banco Nacional, the central banking entity responsible for servicing Havana's foreign debt. Last but not least, the accord established a long-term financing plan, at a token interest rate, on up to 25 percent of the value of oil shipments to the island.
For its part, Havana committed to sending its physicians and other healthcare specialists to work in underserved areas in Venezuela, at no additional costs to Caracas other than room and board for Cuban personnel.
Jamaica yesterday became the first Caribbean country to reach an agreement with Venezuela for oil at below-market terms. The Petrocaribe initiative is a plan to offer oil at flexible rates to 13 Caribbean countries. Jamaica will pay $40 a barrel, against a market rate of more than $60.
Originally posted by nikelbee
Shots
I'm not exactly sure what your point is.
Chavez said Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited consumers" were cut out.
Venezuela supplies Cuba with generously financed oil and plans to help Caribbean nations foot their oil bills.
Guardian - Cheap Cuban oil: "Cuban doctors are working in the poorer areas of Venezuela in exchange for cheap oil going to Cuba."
In the past 30 days, the leader of the world's fifth-largest oil exporting country, has inked deals with Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, and Paraguay. Thirteen Caribbean nations signed a deal for cheap oil in June. And since April, Cuba has been getting almost all of its oil from Venezuela in exchange for doctors and gym teachers.