WAR: Muslims who want Islamic law told to leave Australia

yeah its very deffinatly some schools, even some town councils dont put up christmas decorations. in victoria, australia that is, and only in the metropolitan area. back in my town its still normal

One of the significant problems with the incorporation of Islam as a religion in today's World is the fact that this religion is one that requires its beliefs to be incorporated into the political structure of a society.

Therefore, free republic and democratic nation/states that practice separation of church and state are in direct conflict to the holy scriptures of the Koran.

I believe in Christianity, Christ renders “give unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God”........(referring to taxation but easily to be understood that spiritual matters are separate from governmental or political matters).

There is a Jewish/Christian perspective of believer's submitting to their rulers and their laws since they are appointed by God as well.

While I am an agnostic in my position of religious matters dictating the governing body of a secular society, one can see that cooperation by Muslim groups to a secular constitution is incompatible to their Worldview. As a result this can be a real issue in today's World.

I'm convenience that all faiths that derive their authority through their proclaimed divinely ordained scriptures and as a result are not subjected to questioning…in my opinion, are significant sources of trouble in the advancing of human societies....

......it would appear that Islam's need to incorporate this approach to include the actual governing of society and/or nation state is even more troubling..........

The shame of all this is that religions often hold an exclusive as to what is divinely inspired to the exclusion of all other faiths seems to draw the conclusion that if only one faith is correct and all the others are wrong…………..and since it is impossible through objectivity to determine which one of those faiths is the correct............then odds are they are all wrong and none are of a divine nature..............but yet the World and innocent people suffer as a result of their struggle to proclaim which is correct……

I am now a Christian, after having been an atheist for many years, and having gone through a phase of flirting with Islam.

It was pretty serious flirting, too.

Since I lived in the Middle East, and was immersed in the culture, it was much easier to understand the kind of society Islam attempts to create. Not that it is better or worse than any other culture; but individual behavior is strictly controlled and defined, without a whole lot of options.

I was interested in the mystical aspect of Islam, particularly Sufism and Ismailism. I learnt some Arabic, and read the Qur'an. What impressed me the most about muslims is their sense of God's majesty. Most people I know who consider themselves Christians routinely neglect to pray regularly. EVERY muslim I ever met prayed 5 times a day, whether he was a smuggler, or the mayor of Damascus.

Having been reared in a Christian home, I really was impressed with Islamic poetry about the majesty of God, and the sense of community felt when saying prayers with hundreds of other men. What I missed was the emphasis on personal love for God and each other. That may sound weird, but in Islam, it only matters that you bow to God, like a tyrant. Whether you personally like him is irrelevant. You bow, you tithe, then you await your blessings.

I think that because of Jewish and Christian experience as (previously) oppressed minorities, there is an expection that being righteous will invite the world's wrath, and that the poor are probably good people and that the rich are probably corrupt.

Islam doesn't have that same emphasis. And so muslims have trouble explaining why all the oil is under the sands of heretics like the house of Sa'ud, and Ghaddafi; meanwhile Yemen, the most rigorously Hadith-following nation, is also one of the most impovershed nations on earth. There is no real "theology of the oppressed" in Islam. In Christianity, there is a great suspicion of wealth: "easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven." One of the reasons that J.P. Morgan did so much philanthropy was that he, as a Christian feared about how his wealth was currupting his soul. He geniuinely felt this to an extent, and often gave more money to various charities in secret than he gave publicly.

I think part of the violence exhibited by Muslims, particularly young men from Egypt and Syria, is an attempt to deny the wealth and worldly success of the "Darb et-Harb," the infidel lands.

The reason they attacked NY was not only an urge to harm America. It was an attempt to negate what NYC represents. Wealth, sensuality, usury, and licentiousness.

I'm surprised that they didn't attack Las Vegas. If you look on jihadist websites, they are obsessed with young muslim men looking at American porn on the internet. Several muslim states had considered banning the internet as a tool of satanic American whoremongers.

subz:

Hmmm...a spear in the leg as punishment is a little different than this quote from Sharia law:

"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war. - Qur’an 9:5"

Note the keyword; "disbelievers".

On TV, that radical cleric who is currently residing in oz (can't remember his name) promoted hate against all other religions other than Islam...and he was the one stating that "two laws" existed...personally, I think we should spend about 10 cents worth of lead on him...or ANYONE, for that matter, who promotes hatred in oz - I don't care what religion they come from.

Cheers


JS

Originally posted by cyberdude78
Well personally I think that this is the message that respectable goverments such as Australia should be giving to all religious groups like this. Religious law is quite possibly the most anti-freedom form of goverment possible.

If Muslims want to practice their peaceful religion on their own, fine. They can encourage others to join them if they'd like for all I care. That goes for all non-extremist religions. But if religious groups want to force their religion down the throats of everybody else like some crusader, they can get the heck out of the country.

I second this.

They come to a western country to escape Sharia law & extremism, and then they want their new homeland to go down the same path.

If they want Sharia law, then they should go somewhere that already practices it.

Did you know that under Sharia law, a non-Muslim is considered nothing more than a cow?

If a Muslim man sees a non-Muslim woman he likes, he may approach his Imam and ask permission to capture her (with or without her consent) and take her as his property. Even if the woman is married to a non-Muslim man, he may still take her, because only Islam marriage is recognized as binding.

So if it were introduced in Australia, a Muslim man could steal my wife, because it has been ordained by his elders. I could not get her back because under Sharia law, she now belongs to him. My own Judicial system would be powerless because it allowed Sharia law and all that comes with it.

Well this prolly' wouldn't happen, but it's just an example of many things that could be unleashed if Sharia law were introduced. In fact even in Muslim countries this sort of thing doesn't happen "anymore", but the ability for it to happen is still there in the Sharia law texts & the Koran.

Sharia law has no place in a western and highly multicultural country such as Australia.

Any western Government that allows Sharia law, is basically saying to its population of non-Muslims, that they are now no more than cattle in their own country.

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reply to post by FredT


Good post-why can't we have more statesmen prepared to make these brutaly honest and forthright statements here in the U.K (instead of the spineless,self serving lot we've got at the moment)?

"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," said Costello, who is seen as heir-apparent to Prime Minister John Howard

Its also worth pointing out that a great many muslims (especialy women) emigrate to places like Australia,the U.K. and the U.S. precisely because they want to get way from the judgements,rulings and punishments of the shariah courts and its version of 'law' :


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previous post deleted due to strong opinions from myself.

something to add.

I just wanted to say i agree totally and thats all i will say because i feel very strongly about these sorts of things and have extremely strong opinions about it.(I tell it the way it is. )

Dont love it?
Leave it .

Simple.

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In the meantime Australian Muslims are scratching their heads and asking who voted to demand Sharia in Australia,

Seems to me nothing more than a bit of demagoguery from a failing politician but if Australian bigots are booking for a fight against a religion I am sure Mossad will oblige with a false flag event or two. You can count on it.

Not to attempt a one liner here, but...

Why are we replying to 2005?


3 years is one heck of a pause for thought.

[edit on 29-11-2008 by johnsky]