Originally posted by CPYKOmega
2) The rave had a permit and was 100% legit and legal.
Then where is the permit?
The organizers have thoughtfully posted information to the Internet claiming they were operating legally.
Fine. I'll try to give them the benefit of the doubt for now, meaning that I won't dismiss their claims out of hand, but I won't side with them
either -- not without reasonable proof they aren't trying to play me.
This issue bugs me because the sheriff seemed quite confident that this event did not
have a “mass gathering permit” and that without it,
the event wasn't legal.
That is not a trivial point, it's the crux of the dispute. If the organizers can't back up their claims, then they're lying, and I really
don't like being lied to.
I find it incredible that the sheriff would make a statement like that on camera if it were false, and he sure as hell would be an idiot to publicly
claim that was the reason for the raid -- which he did -- unless it was true.
So is the sheriff lying, or are the event organizers lying? One of those two things is going on.
My confidence is not reinforced by snippets like this: Police Raid Outdoor Music Event
“Controversy exists as to whether a mass gathering permit was actually obtained, however, a Health Department permit was obtained, and hired
security and emergency medical service personnel were on site.”
Over whether a permit exists or not? How hard can it be to scan a piece of paper and put it on the 'Net?
The permit is a physical object. It either exists or it doesn't.
This doesn't look good.
The One Piece Of Evidence They've Left Out
Since the organizers have been able to post all sorts of information online, including videos and eyewitness accounts, then why the bloody hell
can't they post copies of the mass gathering permit?
If they spent $20k on this thing, I imagine they could be bothered to have made a few ten-cent copies of the permit.
And this is just plain silly
This guy claims to live in Peru. What does he know that I don't? And what the hell is “FAZI”, and why is this guy saying “FAZI” shut down
As for not having a search warrant, it would be wise to remember that in the United States, peace officers do not need a warrant to enter private
property if there is probable cause to believe a crime is being committed.
The doctrine dates back to the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which prohibits unreasonable
searches and seizures (not reasonable
ones), so if people haven't heard of it, they're probably not qualified to give legal opinions in this country.
This has all the smell of a public sympathy play. People come on the Internet lobbying for their cause all the time. That's usually because no one
else will listen, usually because something doesn't add up.
In this case, something doesn't add up. These kinds of propaganda tactics are used by people who know they're wrong.
And linking all this to international anti-Bush and anti-U.S. campaigns is not going to win any sympathy from me. Quite the opposite, in fact.
As far as I'm concerned, the organizers can put up or shut up. They are making some very serious claims, so they'd better be ready to back them up
They're talking all sorts of smack about suing the sheriff's department, civil rights probe, yada yada. Great. If they have a case, I wish them the
best. The place to decide this does, in fact, happen to be court.
If they don't have a case, then screw them for yanking the Internet chain.
Yes, I'm skeptical, because I've seen this sort of thing too many times to count.
Let's see the permit, or video footage of a captured Bigfoot. I'm really not that picky.
I just need some reason to believe, and so far, this story comes up short. :shk: