Originally posted by knight_star_gazer
Greetings,

My first post and a question regarding the fellow Albert Pike.

It is my understanding from reading "Morals and Dogma" that Mr. Pike may be subject to much misunderstanding.

Welcome to ATS!

Have you read Morals and Dogma in its entirety?

1) Did Albert Pike actually write (as seen in his vision or otherwise) about the three great world wars?

Simply, no.

2) Was the language in this letter (as we read it today) correct or were their alterations made to either present it as grammatically correct, or to attack Mr. Pike's person? (Ex. illuminati, Nazism etc.)

It is a hoax. More in a moment on this.

3) If Albert Pike was not the author, than who or what could have had this notion of truth during an early time and then also have put it into writing?

His name was Leo Taxil.

4) If it was not Mr. Pike then what kind of imposter could do as much, yet rest this upon the hands of another innocent person, be it a Mason or otherwise?

See #3.

Let us discuss our ideas, research and opinions on this matter.

This has been discussed many times here, but I'll go ahead and answer it again. You can probably find plenty by just doing an ATS search or googling "Leo Taxil" or "Taxil hoax."

from: www.masonicinfo.com...

It was a practical joke which has gone on to have a 'life of its own': Gabriel Jogand-Pagès, better known as Léo Taxil, was born in France in 1854 and educated by the Jesuits who caused him to be embittered toward religion. Taxil became a 'free-thinker' and actually joined Masonry but was expelled as a result of wrong-doing. Further angered, he chose revenge in a literary manner and decided - perhaps in an effort to redeem himself with Masonry by making the Roman Catholic Church look foolish - to ridicule their credulity about Freemasonry by creating an elaborate story in which the leader of the Southern U.S. Scottish Rite, Albert Pike, was the brunt of the fabrication.

Originally posted by Mirthful Me

Originally posted by The Axeman
Now where did I see that 3WW thing... *searches*

You must be looking for this conspiracy "gem," a new "member" favorite icebreaker here in the Secret Societies Forum:

www.threeworldwars.com...

Miner Monkeys, not just for striking it "rich" anymore...

Please forgive the long quotes; I felt it was necessary to make my point.

Well, I haven’t been able to find who actually wrote the letter, but I have found some very interesting material nonetheless...

It looks as though it all started with a certain

from: www.cooperativeindividualism.org...

The central tenets of contemporary conspiracy theory owe much to the British author Nesta H. Webster's World Revolution; The Plot Against Civilization (1921), a book that testifies powerfully to the endemic flaws of conspiracy notions.[1] World Revolution describes minute similarities (differences receive little or no mention) found in a variety of secret societies and intellectual movements between the late 18th century and the early 20th century. These, it says, are "proof" that the source of revolutionary upheaval in the modern world "is not local but universal, it is not political but social, and its causes must be sought not in popular discontent, but in a deep-laid conspiracy" (emphasis added). Accordingly, parallels between the rituals, methods, and symbolism of various societies, and the teachings of individuals as various as Rousseau, Robespierre, Owen, Fourier, Marx, Bakunin, and Louis Blanc are interpreted as evidence of an "occult force, terrible, unchanging, relentless, and wholly destructive, which constitutes the greatest menace that has ever confronted the human race."

According to Mrs. Webster, one man started it all: Adam Weishaupt, a renegade Jesuit priest and professor of canon law who founded the Order of illuminati of Bavaria on May 1, 1776. By this account, Weishaupt was the principal architect of internationalism as it became manifest in the 20th century. World Revolution terms him the mastermind of the "terrible and formidable sect" that launched "the gigantic plan of World Revolution" and so earned him a place on the dark side of history as "the profoundest conspirator that has ever existed. " At least some mention of Adam Weishaupt or the Illuminati is found in virtually all contemporary conspiracy literature.

To attempt to refute the Webster account of global conspiracy by pointing out every historical fallacy of the work would be an enormous waste of time. It would be so not because there are no factual errors but because she does not offer support, by references to verifiable "facts," for the crucial aspect of her thesis -- that the key people involved conspired to achieve a common purpose. That critical notion is an inference she makes from the evidence presented, but it is not the only plausible inference. Indeed, other inferences seem more plausible.

Thus, to attempt to refute Mrs. Webster's conspiracy thesis and those of other conspiracy theorists -- one must contend with facts not presented more than with those offered. And to prove a negative -- that is, that there is no conspiracy -- is virtually impossible. That, however, in no way suggests Mrs. Webster's thesis is accurate. Her method is fundamentally flawed; it permits neither verification nor refutation. Consequently, "believers" can accept the conspiracy theory and "nonbelievers" can reject it.

from: freemasonry.bcy.ca...

...Carr erroneously depicts the USA seal as an insignia of the Illuminati and describes the "all spying eye" without citing any source or documentation. In a later footnote he again claims: "the Great Seal of america is actually the insignia of the illuminati." [p. 53 footnote]

"The significance of the design is as follows: the pyramid represents the conspiracy for destruction of the Catholic (Universal Christian) Church and the establishment of a "One Uorld", [sic] or UN dictatorship, the secret" of the Order; the eye radiating in all directions, is the "all-spying eye" that symbolizes the terroristic, Gestapo-like, espionage agency that Weishaupt set up under the name of "Insinuating Brethren", to guard the "secret" of the Order and to terrorize the population into acceptance of its rule." [p. xiii]

With a breathtaking lack of historical accuracy, Carr claims: "It should be noted that this insignia acquired Masonic significance only after merger of that Order with the Order of Illuminati at the Congress of Wilhelmsbad, in 1782." [p. xiii]

Jumping off from Taxil's lies, Carr continues: "...[Albert] Pike accepted the idea of a one world government and ultimately became head of the Luciferian Priesthood. Between 1859 and 1871, he worked out the details of a military blue-print, for three world wars, and three major revolutions which he considered would further the conspiracy to its final stage during the twentieth century." [p. xiv] "Pike organized the New and Reformed Palladian Rite." [p. xv]

When Carr makes the following claim, it is time to seriously question his sources: "Long before Marconi invented wireless (Radio), the scientists who were of the Illuminati had made it possible for Pike and the Heads of his councils to communicate secretly." [p. xv]

Carr purports to quote Pike's August 15, 1871 alleged correspondence in the British Museum Library but neglects to provide citation. [p. xvi] He also quotes Taxil's lie about worshipping Lucifer citing it as being in a letter sent to his Palladian councils July 14th, 1889 [p. xvi]

from: www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

What, among other things, appears so significant in the Illuminist/Masonic plan for three world wars is that the Third Planned War has been enunciated by conspirators as revolving around tensions with the Moslem "world." While the Middle-East has been specifically pointed to in the Luciferian conspiracy as providing the strategic and tactical basis for a Third World War, corollary components could be in the construction stage in other regions of the world, notably India/Pakistan/China.

A Plan for Three World Wars, you might say ? Not my idea. Not my conspiracy. Not my prediction. It is, however, a plan by persons who have much more power and influence than that expressed through the power of the pen. It does, however, substantially include persons who have the lion's share of the power of the pen, that is, the "press." Or, one might say, includes those who have the lion's share, the vulture's share, and the jackal's share. And I'm just trying to hold on to my First Amendment share. And that's a principle shared by many patriotic Americans and Christians around the world.

When was the alleged plan for three world wars penned and by whom?
It was put to writing in 1871 under the auspices of two prominent godfathers of Freemasonry, Mafia founder Giuseppe Mazzini who viewed the subversive and occult structure of Freemasonry as a profound vehicle or "lever" for world revolution, and America's Confederate General Albert Pike, co-founder of the KKK and Supreme Pontiff of Lucifer who re-wrote the degrees of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry and who instituted the diabolical Rite of the Palladium to dominate Freemasonry, with the Palladian Rite providing an intensified hands-on course in "fleshly glove" demon possession leading to walking/talking possession of human initiates by Lucifer-associated spirits, demons. The ultimate objectives of the "occult conspiracy" include the establishment of a One-World Government to exercise overt occult oligarchic ruler ship world-wide.

The "Plan" embodies the ultimate in human rights violations, and the world wars which it has spawned have been instruments to achieve even more diabolical objectives. Within the scope of what "Plan" has Freemasonry elicited oaths embracing murder, perjury, and treason ? To what extent have persons been culpable who have operating within the United States as U.S. citizens ? Enemies Within ? Including Presidents ? Beyond Bill Clinton ? Brace yourself.

from: www.prolognet.qc.ca...

Recently I came across a tape entitled «The History of the Illuminati» by Myron Fagan in which Mr. Fagan explains in detail what the Illuminati is, how it started, and their conspiracy to form a one world government by the end of the 20th Century. Following are excerpts taken from this tape, based on William Guy Carr's book, "Pawns in the Game".

- Melvin Sickler

Do all the lies about Masons lie on Taxil and not on any other, including the Masons themselves? If Masonry stands true, timeless and sprang forth from that universal truth which is inherent into which we are Oneness, then why the fascination over either man, and why defend one so selfishly, yet hate the other?

Are not both Mr. Taxil and Mr. Pike our brethren? Should we be speaking harshly or play up the favoritisms in their name? Do we choose to attribute wrongdoings or great deeds onto a system of truth, or a creed of a lodge? Or do we place blame upon the personality we call Mr. Taxil and while at the same time, turn our heads to Mr. Pike’s own fallacies? Both entities were as men but BE as souls; each is beloved by the Father, yet each surrounding themselves within an illusion they call their own little “personality”.

How many already know of Mr. Pike’s other works and have read them? How many already know of his escaping to hide from prosecution? Would a man so placed upon a pedestal, rest his faith in fear of losing his very material being? Would a man so capable of impressing upon the esoteric understandings live in opposition to his own teachings? Now who can say these things for sure?

I will not judge this man Pike, nor will I judge another like Taxil! Now just as some of us do not yet know who wrote the 3 War letters without more evidence, it does not grant us the right to spit upon the personality of one, having him upon many Mason websites, so utterly despised. There is no excuse for why this is so, other than a display of weakness by behaving ‘slightly’ reactionary.

I found the incident you were commenting on about Pike escaping arrest, and I have also discovered that accounts of it vary, sometimes greatly, in the details. Some things are fairly certain; he did escape arrest after somewhat of a scandal, and hid in Arkansas for a time, sending a resignation to the Confederate army from there. He was later arrested, and was briefly detained (for a little over a week) in Warren, Texas. His resignation accepted, he moved back to Arkansas. As a result of the goings on at Pea Ridge, was treated with suspicion, apparently from both sides. He moved to New York, then to Canada for a time, having been excluded from the pardons given by President Lincoln to Confederate officers. He was later granted a pardon by President Andrew Johnson, at which time he moved back to the States and resumed his law practice, and also began his serious work with and for the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, ultimately becoming Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council, 33°.

I found this very interesting on a personal level, not only as someone who respects Pike's work and is interested in History, but also the Pea Ridge battlefield is mere miles (about 10) from where I grew up; I remember taking field trips there when I was in elementary school. I used to drive by it all the time. Very cool.

Some of the more detailed sources I found:

from: en.wikipedia.org...

After Pea Ridge, Pike was faced with charges that his troops had scalped soldiers in the field. Maj. Gen. Thomas C. Hindman also charged Pike with mishandling of money and materiel, ordering his arrest. Both these charges were later found to be considerably lacking in evidence; nevertheless Pike, facing arrest, escaped into the hills of Arkansas, sending his resignation from the Confederate Army on July 12. He was at length arrested on November 3 under charges of insubordination and treason, and held briefly in Warren, Texas, but his resignation was accepted on November 11 and he was allowed to return to Arkansas.

from: www.civilwarhome.com...

The Confederate Indians of Colonel Stand Watie's regiment, and those of Colonel Drew's regiment, who had returned to the Confederate service under Pike and Cooper, also participated in the battle of Pea Ridge in March, 1862, where they were charged with scalping and mutilating the Federal dead on the field. General Pike, hearing of the scalping, called up the surgeon and assistant-surgeon of his field-hospital for reports, and in their reports they stated that they found one of the Federal dead who had been scalped. General Pike then issued an order, denouncing the outrage in the strongest language, and sent a copy of the order to General Curtis. General Pike claimed that part of the Indians were in McCulloch's corps in the first day's battle; and that the scalping was done at night in a quarter of the field not occupied by the Indian troops under his immediate command.

freepages.military.rootsweb.com...

On August 15, 1861, he was commissioned Brigadier General in the army of the Confederate States, and at the battle of Pea Ridge he commanded a brigade of Indians. Pike's Civil War career was unfortunate, to say the least, and ultimately resulted in his arrest by General Hindman and the remark by General Douglas Cooper that he was "either insane or untrue to the South."

With the Indian troops Pike fought at Elkhorn Tavern [Pea Ridge], and their dubious conduct reflected, perhaps unjustly, on Pike. He later alleged they had been recruited only for service in defense of their own territory. In his defense, it must also be noted that Pike had little opportunity to work with or drill his Indian troops. When the deaths of Generals McCulloch and McIntosh left him as the senior surviving Confederate officer at Leetown, Pike was ineffective in rallying or reorganizing his troops. After much acrimony Pike resigned his Confederate commission on July 12, 1862; and his resignation was accepted on November 5, 1862.

Originally posted by The Axeman


I was googling around and came across this... priceless...

Henry Makow, meet Masonic Light:

www.rense.com...