Where exactly are these camps and railcars? Prove It!

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posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 08:10 PM
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I’m tired of the same vague list of concentration camps being copied onto every website. How about giving me some exact locations of these railcars and camps in the Pacific NW. Some websites say there are 200 to 800 camps. The locations are so vague as to not even make them even real. I give an example, there’s a purple house in southern Texas with Gnomes. Give directions people, like 3 miles south of intersection X Street and Y Street in town Z, State Unknown.


By the way, Federal and State prisons don’t count, nor do landfills. One post I saw said there was one camp being guarded by men with M16’s and it had a sign calling it a Golf course.

Why would someone make these crazy accusations without giving an exact location of the camp?

That’s right it’s a conspiracy theory.

Prove It!


[edit on 21-8-2005 by proveit101]




posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 08:41 PM
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It's interesting; after spending hours and hours of time searching for the real address of some of these "Secret Death Camps", I convinced one of the hoaxers to give me some real data. He finally relented and did so, saying that although he himself had never checked it out (surprise!) a "trusted source" did.

Anyway, I drove to two locations of the Secret Death Camps in the Central and Southern Arizona area. One was in the middle of the Tohono O'odham Reservation and was nothing but flat land and scrub. The other was the remains of the American concentration camps of World War II and Executive Order 9044, sixty years ago. Nothing there but a demolished quonset hut and bunches of weather-beaten concrete foundations.

If you ask any proponent of the Secret Death Camp hoax if he's actually been to one, he'll of course say that although he himself had never checked it out, a "trusted source" did.

Yeah, right.



posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 08:43 PM
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I don't know about proff, but a search for "concentration camps" using the ATS search function found these three old threads:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Perhaps this will shed some light on your investigation.



posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 09:20 PM
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it makes sense that the government has SOME sort of contingency for rounding up and detaining huge numbers of people.



posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 10:30 PM
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Same vague list of concentration camps being copied onto every website! I just saw the same list agian. I need a real location, not the same lame list on 20 websites.

Ok, $50.00 for a real site I can verify in Oregon or Washington!



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 12:33 AM
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ARIZONA
Ft. Huachuca - 20 miles from Mexican border, 30 miles from Nogales.
Rex '84 facility.


That's an Army base right outside of Sierra Vista, where you can (I know; I have done so twice) go right theough the camp to get to an area on the border where Coues and Whitetail hunters put in for deer.


Pinal County - on the Gila River - WWII Japanese detention camp. May be renovated.


Not renovated; this is the one on the Tohono O'odham reservation that is completely obliterated.


Yuma County - Colorado River - Site of former Japanese detention camp (near proving grounds). This site was completely removed in 1990 according to some reports.


Again, not true. There are remains of a relocation camp there, but mostly just concrete foundations.


Phoenix - Federal Prison Satellite Camp. Main federal facility expanded.
Florence - WWII prison camp NOW RENOVATED, OPERATIONAL with
staff & 400 prisoners, operational capacity of 3,500.


Yes. Florence is the site of a State Prison, and there are jails (not prisons) in Phoenix. So? Are you implying that all prisons are suspect because they have Bad Guys in them?


Wickenburg - Airport is ready for conversion; total capacity unknown.


How about total capazity zero? The Wickenburg Municipal Airport is not even controlled at night, and the last time I was there it has a part-time use tower and a greasy spoon and a pretty crappy FBO.


Davis-Monthan AFB (Tucson) - Fully staffed and presently holding
prisoners!!

I'm sure that DM has a lockup for some courtmartialed airmen, but a prison? Hardly.


Sedona - site of possible UN base.


Sure. And, of coruse, no one has ever seen this "possible UN base" despite the fact that Sedona is one of the biggest tourist attractions in northern Yavapai and southern Coconino Counties, and full of hiking trails everywhere. Just try to go up the West Fork of Oak Creek and count the hikers with their dogs.

Or the Pink Jeep Tours. Or the photographers like me up and down Schnebly Hill Road.

You see, the problem with these Secret Prison Camps is that when someone actually goes out and finds out that there's nothing there, the hoaxers just move their hoax somehwere else.

I challenge anyone who claims to know about these "secret prison camps" to actually tell us where they are (you know, a $69.95 GPS is pretty easy to come by) and someone will go out there and take some pictures. Now I'm not talking aobut some bozo with the same list that's been floating around the I-net for the past six or seven years and has been thoroughly debunked. I mean a first-hand visit by someone who will tell us exactly where this Secret Prison Camp is.

What -- no takers? Surprise, surprise, surprise!



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 12:45 AM
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I've looked for the camps in the past, in my area (Alabama), and have found sure-enough prisons - state prisons! And they had...CONVICTS in them!


Of course, Maxwell AFB as Ft. McClellan are listed, but those are easy ones to list. The M.P's and S.P.'s don't let people wander around closed bases on sight-seeing trips, so prove them wrong.

Many of the usual pictures you see are not of "Death Camps", but are of legite training sites for the military, or photos of security sites that do not house people, but items.



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 12:56 AM
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We spent 3 weeks driving around the SW of the US a few years back, and as TC asserted there were many prisons out there in the desert and full of "guests of the state" but no FEMA penal camps wer enoted in our wanderings.

All military posts will have a stockade. Where else do you keep the marines et al. after a few too many?

And if FEMA is as all powerfull, all pervasive, and manifestly evil as many of you beleive, why would they go to the trouble of alerting us by building the camps ahead of time?

The Army Corp of Engineers could put up an electrified fence and create one of these camps in less than 5-6 hours and may even get a moat dug in that time as well.



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 12:56 AM
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Here is an exact address that is listed in a "trusted source"




This facility is across the street from the Palmdale Water Department.

Pearblossom Operations and Maintenance Subcenter Receiving Department
34534 116th Street East
Palmdale, California

The waybackmachine.com\abovetopsecret archives


[edit on 22-8-2005 by makeitso]



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 01:19 AM
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Originally posted by makeitso
Here is an exact address that is listed in a "trusted source"




This facility is across the street from the Palmdale Water Department.

Pearblossom Operations and Maintenance Subcenter Receiving Department
34534 116th Street East
Palmdale, California

The waybackmachine.com\abovetopsecret archives


[edit on 22-8-2005 by makeitso]


Has anybody ever been there? Im a serious aviation freak so I have been to Palmdale many times. You know what that is right? Its a watershed. Yeah i want a fence around my water supplies to keep people from letting thier dogs swim in it and generaly mucking it up.




posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by FredT

Originally posted by makeitso
Here is an exact address that is listed in a "trusted source"




This facility is across the street from the Palmdale Water Department.

Pearblossom Operations and Maintenance Subcenter Receiving Department
34534 116th Street East
Palmdale, California

The waybackmachine.com\abovetopsecret archives


[edit on 22-8-2005 by makeitso]


Has anybody ever been there? Im a serious aviation freak so I have been to Palmdale many times. You know what that is right? Its a watershed. Yeah i want a fence around my water supplies to keep people from letting thier dogs swim in it and generaly mucking it up.

ijust googled that address and came up blank


[edit on 22-8-2005 by RaiderJose]



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 03:07 AM
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Lets get some facts first.

1. First off use the Google Map and go to satellite. The “Brand Park” in Glendale California you can get the maximum view. I don’t see anything usual, look how close the HWY and homes are. Well what do you know, the reservoir has water in it, and maybe they had to do some repairs and that’s why it hand to be drained or was dry at the time.

2. About the guards patrolling the park. Does anyone remember when everyone was scared that the terrorists would try and poison the drinking water after 911? Hello!

3. Palmdale, California. If you know anything about delivering loads or packages to address, some government faculties use one address for all mail and deliveries and when they get there they are directed to different loading docks depending on what is being delivered. If you have ever worked at a warehouse you know what I mean. Don’t type in the full address; just use Palmdale, California 116 Street. You can’t get full magnification because it’s not a major city. They use high-resolution pictures for big cities because they need to use them for building roads, schools, sewer and controlling development. They probably had guards because of an alert for poising drinking water.

4. There was a big stink in the news a few years ago about the Mexican border fence having the tops of the fence facing the American side. It was later said, that the politicians didn’t want to offend Mexico by having the tops of fences facing towards Mexico. By the way, a chain link fences with the three barbed wire strands on top will not hold prisoners in. All you need is a peace of cardboard or clothing to put on the top of the barbed wires and away you go, the Mexicans do this all the time. Go to any major prison and you will see the kind of fences they use. These fences are usually eight to ten feet tall and have many rows of constantan wire on them and are built very sturdy. One last comment, I have a friend that used to live near this five-acre parcel of land that a doctor owned. The doctor had it all fenced in with six-foot chain link and with the barbed wire on top, except the tops pointed inwards. We would joke about him doing experiments on people in his underground lab. The truth was he was required by the county to have them point inwards because barbed wire tops would infringe on the other persons property rights. The same thinking applies to trees on your property, if a limb falls off on to the other person’s house or car, your responsible for the damage.

So I ask, where are the camps?



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 04:15 AM
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In my state (OH), they list one of these sites as a quarry in Lima, OH. Sure enough, the site is there, as I have driven by it many times. Whether it is a concentration camp is debateable. I mean, it is a huge hole in the ground and it says it is near a railroad, and it is. But, their is no infrastructure at all. It is just a defunct quarry along the highway like many others. The railroad has been there for a long time - because it was a line from the quarry originally.

I think some of these are purely imagination. I couldn't find any info on the owners of the quarry or if it was owned by the state or the feds.



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 05:59 AM
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In the 90's there was a earthquake prediction, because of a alinement of planets, Forgive me for not remembering the mans name.

I had a friend in the national guard, and he told me that if the quakes where to happen, we live in Missouri, USA, that 90% of the bridges and overpasses would be destroyed, not to mention the homes. He said in the St. Louis area could see upto 700,000 homeless from the quake. He said that MO has purchased 5 used circus tents, to house the homeless. To keep true with any good conspiracy...what "other" purposes could they use these tents for?


rwor.org...

If martial law is declared in the USA, you can bet your bottom-dollar, that there will be mass arrests, you can't have the arrests without detaining these people, and martial law means arrest without consule, so you could have a petty thief locked up with a murderer, infeninetly..

I have no Addresses, like Fema would allow such revalations publicly.

peace

[edit on 22-8-2005 by LDragonFire]



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 09:36 AM
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Also, you can bet FEMA and the Feds have quarantine plans in case of killer flu or other biological or chemical agent threat that either include sealing off affected areas, or rounding people up and herding them into quarantine areas. Didn't Pres. Bush just sign some order allowing quarantine?

As Rant said, regardless if the physical structures have been built yet or not, the ACE could have them up and functioning in hours.

The real question is, are the plans in place, and would the federal government forcibly relocate masses of people if it felt the imminent need to do so? I believe the answer to both questions is a resounding yes. An informed source told me so.

Bush signs quarantine order



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 09:55 AM
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I actually took the data that one of these conspiracy sites posted about the number of rail cars, looked up how big a rail car is, and multiplied out the number of feet that however-many-it-was rail cars would need just to park them for the "Big Roundup."

Then I compared that to the number of miles of track in the railroad system.

It turns out, that if these cars existed, you would see one parked every 1-2 miles along every track in the United States -- in addition to major railway terminals being completely full of them.

Normal freight couldn't move because of them, in fact -- IF they existed.

I drive past one of the "FEMA secret locations" every day. It was a water plant back in the 1980's... and it's still a water plant today.

The story is totally bogus. What's amazing is that so many people were willing to believe it.



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 10:55 AM
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Nobody said every box car had to be on an existing rail line, so your calculation is based on flawed pre-existing conditions. Plenty of boxcars can be stored off line in railyards or freight depots. In fact, shipping containers in general have become interchangeable between truck, ship, and rail. The logistics exist for such an operation, without question.

Again, the facilities themselves have no need to exist at the moment. The logistics and capabilities exist to have them put up at virtually a moment's notice, without question. Are there sites that could be used for such facilities? Yes, many, without question. Is there a FEMA list of these sites? Informed sources say so.

Would the federal government resort to such measures against its own, or indigenous peoples? Well, it put the Native Americans into concentrations (I mean reservations), it attacked and imprisoned its own people and destroyed its own territory to prevent secession, it put Japanese-Americans into concentration (I mean internment) camps, and it has successfully confined many, many people for non-violent offenses that aren't even crimes under the Constitution. The federal government has shown repeatedly that it is willing to and capable of doing this. Again, without question.

If you still don't think its possible, its because you don't want to.



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 01:58 PM
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I have viewed a few sites and even links on this site and still do not see any real evidence of these camps. Like some conspiracy stuff it can be explained (ie old bases, training sites etc). If the US really needed to round up folks they could turn a few large places into camps in a hurry I suspect. I think the stories of camps just demonstrates a very high level of paranoia which is understandable in these times.



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 03:38 PM
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why would they have them on america soil where they COULD be discovered by some questioning citezans. Better to take them to someplace where no questions would be asked like Syria, Iraq, Afganistan, or some of the US Terretories like Guam.



posted on Aug, 23 2005 @ 01:55 AM
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How did the Nazi's do it?
Obviously they didn't just do it over night but did they have camps in place before the war started? Did they have fields and fields of empty railcars lying around before the war started?

Did they convert already established places into camps? Did they modify their already established rain system to become a human cargo mover?

Why would America only use rail cars when they have massive planes that cart stuff all over the world regularly?

Just wondering how the Nazi's turned it all around.
I'm sure if FEMA have this planned out for a worst case scenario, then they would also have an ability to pull it off by rediverting and commandeering what they need. Doesn't mean they have to have all the needs in place, gathering dust and growing weeds for years before it happens.

We do know for fact that FEMA has martial law plans all drawn up, so i wouldn't be surprised if they have a camp system in place also. It's not hard to assemble a tin shed or a massive circus tent, no one is expecting these places to be classy hotels.





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