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Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
Hmm, not a single reply, I will attempt to be clearer.
I want to know what the chivalric orders are. My first thought were the knights degree in the York rite, (Order of Knights Templar and Order of Knights of Malta). But then it says it’s the Scottish grade. So I have to look at the Scottish Rite, unfortunately when Weishaupt and Knigge design the degrees (end of 18th century) the pre-Pike Scottish Rite were very different, hence my confusion. Were the Scottish rite similar to the York rite? Wich of the chivalric orders existed at the time?
I’m looking for a student of Freemason history to enlightened me, anyone?
Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
I want to know what the chivalric orders are.
So I have to look at the Scottish Rite, unfortunately when Weishaupt and Knigge design the degrees (end of 18th century) the pre-Pike Scottish Rite were very different, hence my confusion. Were the Scottish rite similar to the York rite? Wich of the chivalric orders existed at the time?
Originally posted by sebatwerk
which signifies, to me, that the chivalric orders upon which the Illuminati's grades were based might have been some of these rites which later became part of the Scottish Rite.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by sebatwerk
which signifies, to me, that the chivalric orders upon which the Illuminati's grades were based might have been some of these rites which later became part of the Scottish Rite.
Is there evidence that Ramsay researched the Illuminati and would model the scottish degrees upon their rites? I had thought that Ramsay's employer would be somewhat anti-illuminati, no?
The majority of all these Higher Degrees, especially those created during the Age of Enlightenment, are based on the virtues of Chivalry, and on legend like the link between Freemasons and Knights Templar. Obviously high sounding titles appealed to the elitist French Masonry. They are known as "degrés ou Grades Ecossais" although they have nothing to do with Scotland. They have been introduced by Ramsay who claimed that Freemasonry started as a chivalric Order before moving from France to Scotland in the fourteenth century, to reappear again in 1717. Initially they were independent of each other, but the Grand Lodge of France put some order into them in 1760.
…As in France they included the ideals of chivalry; as an example we can mention the Rite of Strict Observance created by Baron von Hund in 1755. Those exotic rites attracted speculative philosophers, occult adventurers like Joseph Balsamo known as Count Cagliostro, and others initiated quasi-Masonic secrets political societies such as the "Order of the Illuminati" in Bavaria.