Top Ten Scientific Facts : Evolution is False and Impossible., page 58

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reply posted on 18-4-2012 @ 12:01 PM by Since1981

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Since1981

The Weasel applet starts with maximum diversity in the group, for each iteration it converges to the minimum amount of diversity. How do you explain this? Should not evolution theory produce diversity?

The applet does not reflect reality. It is an example of a method called a genetic algorithm.

en.wikipedia.org...
www.obitko.com...
lancet.mit.edu...

Have at it and learn something.

A genetic algorithm is a selection process, which always apply to entities that multiply imperfectly in a limited system.

It is definitively applicable on earth, because the prerequisites are fullfilled without a single doubt. Now you are arguing that this demonstration of a principle, the most fundamental corner stone of evolution theory, does not reflect in reality.

That is a little bit too much for me. There is just silly inaccurate slander from your side and a complete void of logic as you just have demonstrated. Have it your way, I will not mind about you any more.

reply posted on 18-4-2012 @ 12:04 PM by Since1981

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Since1981

The Weasel applet starts with maximum diversity in the group, for each iteration it converges to the minimum amount of diversity. How do you explain this? Should not evolution theory produce diversity?

The applet does not reflect reality. It is an example of a method called a genetic algorithm.

en.wikipedia.org...
www.obitko.com...
lancet.mit.edu...

Have at it and learn something.

reply posted on 18-4-2012 @ 01:37 PM by stereologist

reply to post by Since1981

It is definitively applicable on earth, because the prerequisites are fullfilled without a single doubt. Now you are arguing that this demonstration of a principle, the most fundamental corner stone of evolution theory, does not reflect in reality.

You are completely confused about simple issues such as the meaning of fact and theory and how they are related. Now you continue this confusion.

Despite your appeal to ignorance science works and so does evolution. Evolution is a fact. The fossil record makes it abundantly clear that life on Earth appeared at staggered times and changed into the forms we see today. The archaeological record is also clear that the stories in the bible are not true.

I recommend that you take the time to learn the basics. Begin with learning what a fact and theory are and then go from there.

reply posted on 18-4-2012 @ 02:15 PM by Barcs

This thread is a perfect demonstration as to why homeschooling is generally a bad thing, especially in religious households. First, the parents are not nearly qualified enough to educate their children about anything that matters. 2nd, kids are intentionally mislead by their parents about important subjects like science and math, because they won't teach anything that contradicts their fundamentalist belief in a compilation of stories from thousands of years ago. This is despite the fact that their understanding of science and reality is extremely poor. Thus they pass their ignorance on to the next generation. This is why many people are still living in the dark ages. I feel bad for the many children this happens to, but the only advice I can offer them is break the cycle. Go out there and actively seek knowledge, so you can understand these concepts for yourself. Don't rely on others to tell you things. Use google, and if you are interested enough, you can become a scientist and research these things for yourself. The knowledge is out there but so many people flat out refuse to even attempt to learn. Your parents are not all knowing and neither are you. Stop being a drone and a follower. Start acting like an individual and learn things for yourself.

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reply posted on 25-4-2012 @ 10:49 PM by MOSTwanted

It's clearly obvious that natural selection is an observable phenomenon. Whatever value the bible may have to you it doesn't change the fact that there are major flaws in it's presumptions. Scientifically speaking, how accurate do you believe the bible could be seeing how it was written (old testament especially) thousands of years ago. I mean it doesn't take a genius or someone reading through all 58 pages of this thread to understand that the bible is clearly wrong about the origins of life. May this be because it was written by humans? (known to be imperfect to a high degree) Brainwashed bible thumpers take the bible so literally as to ignore common sense and logic. One of the only hiccups in the theory of evolution via natural selection is the development of certain complex parts like an eye or your liver. There is a scientific explanation as with anything we can grasp it just needs to be discovered. In this day an age you can hope to witness that happen so be patient. People need to grow up and take things for what they are and not what they wish they were. Thats exactly whats wrong with this world and im fully against those who take religion and use it to control the lives of others. Example, moral conservatives against birth control. We have enough dumb people on this planet WHY overpopulate this # hole any faster with more pieces of #. Just sayin. I'm 21 and want to have an enjoyable retirement. Thank you

reply posted on 26-4-2012 @ 12:02 PM by HappyBunny

Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by edsinger

Well there are a number of your facts that are "false". In recent weeks we've figured out that NASA scientists missed data from mars from the 70's, in that data the scientist said that Mars showed it had life. He speculated that in the next couple years we will know for certainty, he said in his mind it was a %100 chance of life. I could go into the other ones but I'll leave it at that, also you should really lookup what an ostrich is since you're clearly dillusional about the pros of small wings.

They didn't miss it--they just ignored it because they couldn't arrive at a consensus. Levin has been shouting at the top of his lungs for 36 years that it tested positive. NASA dropped the ball--it discounted the results from his experiment and at the same time upheld the results from its own GCMS, which didn't even function properly in Antarctica during testing. There was NO indication from Viking that the GCMS, on which NASA based its results, ever received samples into its chamber. Either there was a flaw in the delivery mechanism, or the GCMS didn't get a big enough sample to register. (Which doesn't say a lot about the sensitivity of the GCMS.)

reply posted on 26-4-2012 @ 12:09 PM by HappyBunny

Originally posted by Since1981

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Since1981

The Weasel applet starts with maximum diversity in the group, for each iteration it converges to the minimum amount of diversity. How do you explain this? Should not evolution theory produce diversity?

The applet does not reflect reality. It is an example of a method called a genetic algorithm.

en.wikipedia.org...
www.obitko.com...
lancet.mit.edu...

Have at it and learn something.

A genetic algorithm is a selection process, which always apply to entities that multiply imperfectly in a limited system.

Genetic algorithms apply in artificial intelligence, and EA's are extremely limited in their application and modeling of biological evolution. One of their biggest drawbacks is the lack of a clear genotype-phenotype distinction.

Although you should know, since you brought it up, that Amoeba (an offshoot of Tierra) evolved self-replication from a randomly seeded initial condition.

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