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Iraq War: "A legitimate preventive blow."

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posted on Aug, 19 2005 @ 02:09 PM
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Thanks for the good read. What it sounds like to me though is US companies have tried to privatize and are having little results if I read it correctly. It seems also from other places I have read and listened that not only are they having problems here but also problems distributing the earnings from the oil fields. Like they are saying Basra wants the money to go to rebuilding Basra not to Iraq itself. And this is one of the major sticking points with their new Constitution. Although I will not sit here and say the US didn't have this in the back of their mind when going into this conflict, I can honestly say I don't believe this is the single greatest cause of this war. I mean if one can gain a strategic advantage and help people it's a win win situation. But to blanket this war as a war for oil is the easy way out it spans much wider than that.




posted on Aug, 19 2005 @ 02:12 PM
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I dont know how preventative it was, but does provide a battlefield away from american interests for jihadists to find there way to 'allah'.


cjf

posted on Aug, 19 2005 @ 02:42 PM
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Germany, as well as many other independent nations, need to back-up their previous pre-invasion positions and stand behind their respective era findings. Especially, especially, since the world community believes it was only Bush that had bad intelligence and thusly lied. Look into other ‘organizations’ pre-invasion statements and findings eg; Belgium, Poland, Russia, Italy, UK…the list is long.




BND SAYS IRAQ DEVELOPING NEW CHEMICAL WEAPONS. August Hanning, the director of the German intelligence service BND, told Hamburg's "Welt am Sonntag" on 22 April that Iraq is developing a new class of chemical weapons. He said that several German companies have delivered to Baghdad components needed for the production of poison gas. And he warned that Iraq is now working on missiles that could reach as far as Germany in the future. He said: "We must assume that these weapons will be ready for use by 2015 at the latest." Hanning said that Germany has handed over its data to the United Nations.
2001




For this study, the BND (German Intelligence) relied on KNOWN Iraqi post-Gulf War illegal acquisitions of technology, sub-systems, and strategic materials in Western Europe (mainly Germany, Austria and Switzerland) to assess what could be done with these acquisitions. Even without taking into consideration such diverse inputs as Iraqi acquisitions from countries of the former Soviet Union, the PRC and Iran, as well as rumored but unproven acquisitions in Europe, the results of the BND study were startling for they pointed to several specific programs that not only had the UN inspectors been unaware of in mid 1994, but they have so far proven unable to discover and stop
1998


further reading…
Carnegie Endowmnet for International Peace

Many, many countries were singing the same tune over time with their own relative information, even given Suddam was posturing.



posted on Aug, 19 2005 @ 05:46 PM
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Someone here stated the following:

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in my opinion, this story is an attempt to justify a war
that the administration has had every opportunity
to do, and hasn't.
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How very perceptive! Have you also noticed in my
various posts on this I have pointed out that the
one big failing Bush has had, was in communicating his
message to the public. In fact in this very thread
I have this blurb on my post id: 1644581
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Now this was in October of 2004
that the interview was on CNN and the book available,
written by Saddam's own nuclear scientist. The election
was still a month off and John Kerry was still running
around telling how Bush lied that their was no threat
from Iraq. You would think Bush at that time might have
at least mentioned the facts concerning the invasion
of Iraq happened because Saddam would not let UN inspectors
interview Saddam's nuclear scientist and he could have
held up the book and said, "This book details Saddam's
nuclear program in the words of his own scientist. It
tells how the program was hidden waiting for UN inspectors
to leave" He could have made reference to the uranium
that had been confiscated there and brought back to
the US. He could have asked, "How come John Kerry thinks
he knows more about Saddam's nuclear program than
Saddam's own nuclear scientist?" Yet Bush did none of
this
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One of my points all along has been that Bush dropped
the ball on communicating much of this to the public.
I can remember thinking many times, "why does Bush
let these remarks go unanswered". My theory at the time
was that he probably believed the people would not be
stupid enough to believe it. If that was his belief,
I have to say he misjudged a good portion of the people.

Since he did drop the ball, and since he did not
address this point for whatever reason, I thought,I
would help get the message out. I assume anyone
that cares for the truth should also appreciate this.
The German paper article that inspired this thread
possibly also had the same motive, and I appreciate their
effort.

After all, the truth will set you free.



posted on Aug, 19 2005 @ 05:57 PM
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Mod Edit: Please see next post.

[edit on 19-8-2005 by UM_Gazz]



posted on Aug, 19 2005 @ 06:05 PM
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Final warning.



posted on Aug, 19 2005 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by MajorCee

in my opinion, this story is an attempt to justify a war
that the administration has had every opportunity
to do, and hasn't.
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How very perceptive! Have you also noticed in my
various posts on this I have pointed out that the
one big failing Bush has had, was in communicating his
message to the public.


Those look like my words.


A point I'd like to make is there's a difference between being honest with the public, yet not telling them everything AND totally making up lies and trying to pass off some wild story that turns into stories as the reasons to go to war.

Bush had the support of Congress to use force. He didn't have to continue to make up lies. He was trying to manipulate us and the rest of the world. That tends to leave a really bad taste in a citzenry's mouth.

I have said before that I supported this war in the beginning. But when I realized the first lie, I began to doubt - and search - and lie after lie came up and I turned against the whole thing and the administration. Nobody likes to be manipulated.

And, btw, I shouted at the TV when Clinton lied, too! He should have said, "That's between me and my wife." But nobody died.



posted on Aug, 19 2005 @ 08:48 PM
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The truth is out there for everyone to see. If Saddam's
main nuclear scientist can't tell you what Saddam's
plans are then who can?




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