Originally posted by HowardRoark
Originally posted by bsbray11
You don't get the point.
Not reproducible = you can't recreate it yourself with models or accurate simulations.
After all, we're not asserting that one tower came down naturally, and the other was demolished. What sense would that make? 
The fact that you can't reproduce these collapses with models, and that only four of them apparently have ever occured throughout history, and that
those four were all controversial events (OKC Bombing, 9/11), the bs meter in my brain would be making some noise if I were you. If it's so
easy for them to occur, we shouldn't have that much trouble reproducing them outside of computer models from government "labs."
Catherder is right, BSB, you are a troll.
A number of the best and brightest engineers and scientists this country has to offer spend countless hours working with the latest cutting edge
computer and software technologies to accurately model the buildings and yet you complain that it is not reproducible because you can't do it on
yourself on your e-machines Best Buy special.
Be patient, given the general pace of the growth of computer technology, you should be able to do this on a home computer some time in the next 5
years.
Computer sims can prove any out come the user wishes and especially when information is estimated to fill in the areas which are unatainable.
Did they ever do a sim for a demolition? i'm sure they could re-create that with much more ease (in fact i bet they did exactly that before 9/11 so
they could place the charges in, ooo, say a week?)
Since the original WTC plans are not allowed to be viewed by anyone, it makes it hard to come out with a valid computer sim when information is
missing from the begining and your WTC plans are a copy of "undated" plans supplied by FEMA, delayed for release after the event (as credited in the
9/11 Comission report).
Of course, when you have a bogus theory that needs to fit a story, you would alter original plans and supply your own new undated version so all
government investigation is made a lot easier. Might leave the original engineers of the building saying it should of withheld but what do they know
right?? The only real engineer with a worthy voice of opinion is the one that agrees with the government!
Detonition is much easier to explain as the cause. The only thing stopping people walking through that door is the disbelief their government would do
that. Get over that and Occams Razor, usually a debunkers favourite fallback excuse, is the most logical explanation. Much more than see-saw
post-event engineering hypothesis that needs to make a computer sim of their own guess work to convince themselves it could possible because all other
logic and even history says it's impossible. If it was an uncontested fact that the government WOULD do this and patriotism didn't exist, the
debunkers would NEVER allow a conspiracy stand that suggested muslims could achieve that result with planes, it would never happen, they wouldn't
even accept the intelligence and defense failures to let it get to that point!
Spend more time focusing on the easiest way to bring those buildings down, ie. Bombs and look at the political, financial and global reasons for this
day and you'll get the idea. The plane attack was the destraction so the cameras had a nice big hollywood explosion, just like Terrorists in Bruce
Willis movies, something we could relate too. Understand the business and the politics which are flowing right now because of 9/11, realise the
rewards for that attack happening. Add to that equation the fact that we are heading towards an energy crisis and put two and two together....
When there's an energy crisis affecting the population, the population will turn on the government and make it responsable when the cost of
EVERYTHING goes up and fuel for their cars drains their pay cheque each week so they can get to work in the first place. When people can't afford to
keep up, they'll get desperate and desperate people cause crime to increase. The governments need an excuse to legally introduce new laws which can
restrict the populations freedom so they have more control when things get desperate.
First step, make a biometric database of everyone that should be here. If they won't comply or shouldn't be here, lock them up and make them work or
send them to another country. When you know who is in your country, you can start fencing them in, herding as farmers call it.
What better way of acheiving this than by encouraging small groups that have always existed, to becoming large groups which you can give a name, a
figure head and some key words and promote as being anyone, anywhere at anytime in any country!
The double edge sword is the fact that this enemy also lives ontop of the power shift the energy crisis will generate across the world, what a perfect
excuse for entering that land. Who ever holds the depleating supply, controlls demand and becomes powerful. Why spend trillions investing in free
energy when you can bleed the fossil dry, make money and gain national and global power at the same time?
Sure people will die, but hey, the world is over-populated anyway right?
They certainly won't come after you will they??
You'll be spared right?
Wait, what's the prerequisites for not having to live under Big Brothers thumb??
So, as we
can see, NIST didn't reproduce diddly squat that answers any of the questions surrounding these unprecedented collapses. In fact, the NIST report is
chock full of data and pretty color diagrams, but every time they come to the collapse part they seem to wave their hands in your face, say "ooga
booga booga!", and then quickly move on to something else. And that is why 4 years after the events, most of the world is still looking for a
scientifically valid, scientifically reproducible answer, and that's what the whole gist of this challenge is. So, are you up to it,
Howard??
