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WAR: FBI goes after "World's Most Dangerous Gang"

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posted on Aug, 18 2005 @ 09:26 AM
Isn't this just another US trained outfit that has cropped up on the side of the enemy again? This is just OBL, AQ and the Mujadeen all over again except this time it's not Afghanistan but right on the border. What kind of policy is it that over decades recruits, funds, trains, arms these outfits which always seem to then 'go rogue' and turn against them? This 'democracy' lark seems to be fundamentally flawed in that no matter which group is in power - these long term projects continue to be developed and really shape the policy. If Frankenstein keeps making monsters they will keep escaping and returning to haunt him.

posted on Aug, 18 2005 @ 11:08 AM

Originally posted by nexus6
Isn't this just another US trained outfit that has cropped up on the side of the enemy again?

No, it's not.

If you read the article, or the stuff I linked to, you'd see that the few members of Mara Salvatrucha who actually participated in battles in EL Salvador, Nicaragua and Honduras were fighting AGAINST the US in a Nicaraguan attempt to spread soviet-style communism.

As much as you want this to be somehow OUR fault, it's actually not.

posted on Aug, 18 2005 @ 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Chuck Stevenson
Not alot of thought toward the republic now days is there?

? Certainly seems to be.

yes, gang affiliation should be an immediate death sentence.

If we want to make it the law, then it might be worth it. Of course, gang affiliation is difficult to prove, and the standards of proof would have to be high if the penalty is death.

Better, perhaps, to simply prosecute for the crimes themselves. Also, outlawing 'gangs', while it makes sense in clear cut instances like MS-13, is too problematic for the real world. The Sons of Liberty would've been a "gang", for example (hell, they were a gang of liberal radicals!). Doesn't really work out in America. The Nazis are allowed to be a political party, the KKK is allowed to operate, the Posse Comititatus groups are allowed to exist, and the Christian Identity movement and militias are permited to exist. They'd have to be done away with also, which might be a good thing, but only because we don't like them. Eventually, people we do like will be abused by it.

So better to strongly prosecute people as individuals and for actual criminal activity.

Richard of Danbury
afterall the term gang, like terrorist is never clearly defined

To be realistic tho, the people being prosecuted under these things are people who are rather clearly violent gang members. The local know pretty well who's in a gang and who's not. Whats been happening, as far as I know, is that local police have been monitoring gang activity for years now, as a part of normal police activity. Now there's a call for a crackdown from the feds and public. So now the anti-gang and street crime squads are getting access to federal equipment, and also (much to their chagrin) the involvement of federal officers. This means that, whereas before that had to use their own 'rinky dink' cameras and wires, etc etc, and wait to share them with all the other cops, they quickly get Federal surveillance equipment (and remember, these are Police Units that work against gangs, not just regular cops who're using it willy nilly) pretty quickly. And then when the busts come in, they're federal busts, so these guys get seriously busted, locked up or thrown out, and I'd bet that they get put on watch-lists to prevent reentry and pick them up if they show up. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if there was also a very close partnership made with their home governments to keep tabs on them.

Could the term "gang" be applied to the Minute Men in the border states

Sure. But then, they're not doing anything illegal, so whats the point?

the stage is being set...............

Are you pretending that MS-13 is not a threat, is not very organized, is not extremely violent, and is not present all over the country???

posted on Aug, 18 2005 @ 11:20 AM
This Gang is just Al-Qaeda 2!! Here it is! So let's continue the war on terror to enslave more the american people!!

The american government have more than one trick in his pocket!!

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