Originally posted by Chuck Stevenson
Not alot of thought toward the republic now days is there?
? Certainly seems to be.
yes, gang affiliation should be an immediate death sentence.
If we want to make it the law, then it might be worth it. Of course, gang affiliation is difficult to prove, and the standards of proof would have to
be high if the penalty is death.
Better, perhaps, to simply prosecute for the crimes themselves. Also, outlawing 'gangs', while it makes sense in clear cut instances like MS-13, is
too problematic for the real world. The Sons of Liberty would've been a "gang", for example (hell, they were a gang of liberal radicals!).
Doesn't really work out in America. The Nazis are allowed to be a political party, the KKK is allowed to operate, the Posse Comititatus groups are
allowed to exist, and the Christian Identity movement and militias are permited to exist. They'd have to be done away with also, which might be a
good thing, but only because we don't like them. Eventually, people we do like will be abused by it.
So better to strongly
prosecute people as individuals and for actual criminal activity.
Richard of Danbury
afterall the term gang, like terrorist is never clearly defined
To be realistic tho, the people being prosecuted under these things are people who are rather clearly violent gang members. The local know pretty
well who's in a gang and who's not. Whats been happening, as far as I know, is that local police have been monitoring gang activity for years now,
as a part of normal police activity. Now there's a call for a crackdown from the feds and public. So now the anti-gang and street crime squads are
getting access to federal equipment, and also (much to their chagrin) the involvement of federal officers. This means that, whereas before that had to
use their own 'rinky dink' cameras and wires, etc etc, and wait to share them with all the other cops, they quickly get Federal surveillance
equipment (and remember, these are Police Units that work against gangs, not just regular cops who're using it willy nilly) pretty quickly. And then
when the busts come in, they're federal busts, so these guys get seriously busted, locked up or thrown out, and I'd bet that they get put on
watch-lists to prevent reentry and pick them up if they show up. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if there was also a very close partnership made with
their home governments to keep tabs on them.
Could the term "gang" be applied to the Minute Men in the border states
Sure. But then, they're not doing anything illegal, so whats the point?
the stage is being set...............
Are you pretending that MS-13 is not a threat, is not very organized, is not extremely violent, and is not present all over the country???