Not to hijack a thread or anything, but...
Originally posted by deltaboy
Originally posted by slank
George Bush and crew have managed to KILL 40,000 to 100,000 people.
i guess those car bombings and attacks are linked to Bush as well eh? think we killed all those people.
Zero invasion = zero car bombings.
Argue your way out of that one.
Personally, I was pro-regime change and I was even pro-invasion as a way of forcing it. I was pro the whole war, for the "major combat operations"
phase of it.
My objection to the war in Iraq is based solely on the fact that the small shrub sold us a bill of goods and then screwed the occupation up so badly
that where there were no terrorists four years ago there is now the greatest concentration of active terrorists in the world.
It's the most perfect self-fulfilling prophecy I have ever seen.
All this "if we don't fight them in their homes, we'll be fighting them in ours" is the amplified echo of "If we don't stop the commies in
Vietnam, we'll be stopping them at the Golden Gate Bridge". It was crap then and it's crap now.
However, just as Ike didn't want to go near it, Kennedy did and searched for a way out, Johnson went in full bore and Nixon widened the Vietnam war
into Cambodia until eventually the US pulled with neither peace nor honour so that for practically the next decade it licked its wounds, if the US
pulls out of Iraq and leaves it a failed state like Somalia, there will be no rescuing US prestige or authority. So w'ere stuck with the occupation
of Iraq as a do or die mission and we're stuck with a moron in charge of it.
As for the protests...anyone tries to take away my right to protest and they lose their job, and that right is not enshrined in our constitution.
As for Cindy Sheehan, the hatchet job appears to be failing. The "white house spokespeople" keep pointing out that she's already met the prez and
told him what she thinks, ie she's a nut who's had her say and should shut up and go home. The problem is that she's saying something people agree
with. So far I've seen George tell the American people that he prayed with the family of one dead soldier and they got all teared up and it was good.
He also said he knew how hard it was in Iraq because he reads the casualty lists everyday. Which is hard..and it's...it's hard.
Well if it's so damn hard why don't you look for alternatives? It's like the moronic Asian concept of "face". Can't admit I'm wrong, might lose
face. Can't admit I haven't learned everything, I might lose face. Mustn't lose face, cannot admit fault, don't learn from mistakes...
I am still baffled at the number of people who voted for Bush in 2,000, thereby giving his brother the opportunity to make him president. How could
you not tell then that he was a prize idiot?
If you don't like the protests then there's an easy solution...tell the shrub to stop visiting Crawford.
So, this bloke that ran over the crosses, maybe he'd had a bad day, maybe he had a fight with the wife before he went to work, he had a major crisis
at work, the car wouldn't start, a co-worker spilt coffee on him, some idiot on a motorcycle cut him up in traffic and he got a parking
ticket...seeing a buch of protestors from out of town who have been disrupting his life all week was the proverbial straw.
Either way, politicised protest or not, the crosses represent the men, and women, who've died in Iraq in uniform. Don't compound what you see as a
gross insult to their memory by adding another one.
During the Vietnam War a soldier standing post at the Cenotaph in Sydney, one of our major memorials to the ANZACS of World War One, men who saved
France and Belgium from the Germans, was spat on by a woman protesting VN. She apparently couldn't see that she'd just dishonoured the memory of the
men who gave us our national identity.
(When I was at school a bunch of stupid women calling themselves Women Against Rape in war used to stage a protest counter-march against the ANZAC
Day parade. It's funny when the Rev. Fred Nile tries to protest against the gay mardi gras, it's not funny when women who've lived their lives in
peace as good as accuse the men who saved Australia of committing war crimes)
COle, just wondering why you have Patton when it was the Screaming Eagles who saved Bastogne.