OK, I''ll do the best I can here.
What is your opinion about what may have been lost(knowledge, secrets, etc.) that once existed in Masonry and I mean including both pre and post
Pre-speculative masonry is operative masonry, e.g. the people who actually did the building. Masonic lodges at this time were the equivalent of
guilds, or unions, protecting the members and ensuring standards were upheld etc. As lodges transformed to speculative through gentlemen members
joining a huge variety of influences came to bear upon the existing lodges, ultimately changing many of them permanently. As far as I am aware there
is no knowledge or secrets that were lost during this transition.
One of the things that speculative masons like to do is speculate, particularly about the history and development of the order - how we got to where
we are today. There has much been written, for example, about the connection between the 'ancient mysteries' and freemasonry. I believe much of this
connection came into freemasonry during its transition into speculative masonry, and so whilst it cannot really be said that freemasonry eveolved from
the ancient mysteries ir was certainly influenced by it. There were many other such influences on emergent freemasonry, and perhaps it could be said
that element of those influences were 'lost' as they became subsumed within the developing speculative masonry.
... I am interested in the subjects that might fall under the headings of Esoteric and Mystical including scared geometry/architecture, alchemy etc.
One of your Famous Masons who does not seem to make the lists is Count Saint Germain, contemporary of Cagliostro. Credited to Germain were things like
removing flaws from and enlarging precious jewles. I don't know much of this but probably you do. I'd appreciate some enlargement along these lines
if you would'nt mind. I am not being subversive here, I am actually interested in hat Masonry knows about these kinds of knowledge in the past and
I'm afraid I know nothing of Count Saint Germain or Cagliostro, my studies have obviously not taken me in that direction. If he was a freemason he
was probably a member of one of the continental grand lodges, and as you may or may not be aware 'continental' freemasonry is quite different in
many ways to the brand you are more familiar with. Many would argue that it's not freemasonry at all, although my assessment wouldn't be as
am talking conspiracy again. I want to know the truth about connections (assoations) between the Elite and powerful of this world and Masonry. These
people and their power do exist and many of them are/have been Masons. Why is this and what is the effect of this? There is a power structure in the
world, I think anyone would agree, and the Masons participate in it to an uncommon degree for a non-religious organization. Saying these same elite
for example are predominately Christian does not really detract from this line of questioning because comparing membership in a world religion is much
different than broad connections to a unique fraternity. Is there any other world organization (non-religious for arguments sake) besides Masonry,
that is so well represented amoung the elite and powerful? Even the Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem (SMOTJ) can't compare right?
It is commonly said that because many masons have reached positions of power and influence in society that this cannot be a coincidence. However, with
many millions of freemasons in America, spread largely over the middle classes, it would be very suprising if there were not a large number of masons
represented at all levels of society. What I would disagree with is how
these people are participating. Based on what I know of freemasonry, as
a benevolent non-political agenda-free organization it is quite inconceivable to me that these individuals are acting in their capacity as
freemasons, or on behalf of freemasonry
. The reality is they are acting on their own behalf, as individuals.
If politics was discussed behind closed doors in a lodge room by 'power brokers' then you might have reason to distrust freemasonry. But discussion
of politics is explicitly banned
in freemasonry, as is religion, because that is not the nature of the organization.
Do your think there is a definitive break with Kabala and other esoteric ideas pre-speculative, i.e with the Guilds? It seems so common to find
continuation attributed from Templar and Rosicrution philospophies which link farther back. There are so many references to support that. Is there any
reason you would think there was NOT a long running thread along these lines back to Egypt or beyond? I believe you draw on Egyptian knowledge as
well. I suppose it is possible the Guilds had nothing to do with this sort of thing and in 1717 Masons jumped back over the Guilds to older times and
started there leaving the Guilds out of it. This brings up the question of Esoteric or Magical skill the Guilds may have had. It that special glass
and mysterious and unduplicatable building ability something Mystical or is this all fabrication?
As I said, we like to speculate. There are many many ideas from many freemasons of how it all developed, and these typically build on the work of
previous authors. To dive in on some of these works without context can be misleading and so the best place to start is to study the current
mainstream thinking which will allow you to best place the developmental thoughts. Many of these masonic authors with personal theories of how the
Craft developed will probably assume some knowledge of the general position. In order to understand the 'new' theory you must know the 'old'
I would recommend Freemasons Guide and Compendium (Bernard Jones) as an excellent starting point. Much work has been done in this area by QCCC and
other study groups as well. I posted some online resources in another thread but I'll give them again here:
There are also many excellent US masonic sites, most notably...
...but it seems there are people who believe that the last place you should go to find out about masonry is masonic sites. The reality is, that as far
as masonic history goes, they are the best ones.
I hope all this information helps. Feel free to follow up.