FYI: Freemasonry Threads on Secret Societies

Originally posted by eudaimonia
sebatwerk, maybe you can learn a thing or two from moonchild

of course he does not. im just a innocent larva hiding in the shadow of his greatness.

Originally posted by MrDog
That's the beauty of freethinking hey?

How would you know???

Originally posted by senrak

Originally posted by MrDog
That's the beauty of freethinking hey?

How would you know???

And in England, we would say "Mr Doggie? It appears that you were just served".

Would you like fries with that?




(apologies in advance. This thread is becoming too slugfestish, and I was just trying to lighten things up. I'm shutting up now)

Sorry, I forgot, you can't repeatedly call someone, you have never met, a lier if you ignor them like you said you would. So now that you have lied can I tell everyone to disbelieve every word you post? Oh, hang on, now I'm not sure if it was you or/and Senrak (you're both so much alike in your hurry to call people names) who said they would ignor me and I can't be bothered going back to check but I'm sure one or both of you will correct me if I'm mistaken.

I would like people to know though, that during a police complaint resolution meeting in my home, the officer(a mason) tried to recruit me into the force because of my age and experience and the way I viewed and handled very serious issues, like warning the police of a group of vigulanty women who, sick of people getting away with having sex with children, collected a 'hit list'. I don't see any justice in child sex abussers being killed or"suiciding", before they name others involved, in a court of law but saddly this happens too often and so child sex rings don't get cleaned up. I'd like them all to live a long, lonely life behind bars, without their names/associations being withheld from the public to "protect" their family and the vindicated victims.

The latest child porn sweep that was done in this country resulted in alot of "suicides" which effectively stopped many others involved from being prosicuted. This is the sort thing that goes on in an effort keep the "good names" of groups/individuals. It's called CONSIRACY, CORRUPTION, COVERUP and is why people like myself and Eudaimonia want people to understand that a failure to convict doesn't mean innocence. The problem is HUGE in that while people like masons among others, WILL AND DO DEFEND their 'brothers' FROM THE OUTSET (a claim or charge isn't "proof" so you can't turn your back on them when they ask for help) against those making the claims. Providing slanderous statements against the victims/parents/witnesses and providing glowing references for their brothers, makes it very hard to successfully prosicute. Without public awareness of the tools of corruption there are too many people prepared to believe that all is right with the world bar a few, odd, individual sickos and make it too easy for the evil to continue.

Why do you want the world to be hoodwinked into believing people like Eudaimonia, Reina Michaelson(the daughter of a freemason) and myself just make these things up. Anyone reading these many posts can see you pay a heavy price for just speaking out. It isn't in anyway an entertainment , speaking out only to find so many people trying to kill off the topic instead of join the fight but the fight begins with the general public accepting how far and wide the problem goes so we plug on letting you expose yourself as caring less for the lives of the powerless innocent than for the "good name" of your club. Please, for once, take off your mason hat and put on that of a compassionate human being.

Originally posted by suzy ryan

Why do you want the world to be hoodwinked into believing people like Eudaimonia, Reina Michaelson(the daughter of a freemason) and myself just make these things up.

If either of you (any of you, if Reina is actually making an appearance) would either answer the rebuttals, and/or actually do something other than disputing claims with "But I've told you it's real, why don't you believe me?", you might just find people more willing to consider the accusations.

Anyone reading these many posts can see you pay a heavy price for just speaking out.

No. Anyone reading these posts would probably see that such paranoia is unwarranted. There have been numerous attempts at providing evidence to show certain things might not be the way you and eudamonia are representing them, yet neither of you has really done anything to address these sources, other than either claim persecution or put it all down to an obvious conspiracy.

Please, for once, take off your mason hat and put on that of a compassionate human being.

Get off your high horse, suzy. You're no better or worse than anyone else here in the compassionate stakes.

More selective quoting from Tinkleflower to divert attention from why we speak out. So now we're paranoid and what we claim just doesn't go on. Why is it NECESSARY to believe masons BECAUSE they are masons and NOT victims of organized child sex rings BECAUSE they are victims of organized child sex rings? Surely people can see why more IDENTIFYING details of our experiences aren't a safe thing to share with the likes of you. We are just raising awareness of a horrible CONSPIRACY, not attacking named indivduals so there is no need to to make our comments TRACEABLE to the indivdual victim speaking out or do you really want us to pay again for not being silenced. Oh such great, moral men, attacking those who have had to survive things no one would wish on an animal. When we name names you just jump right in and defend them all you like but untill then let the little voices be heard and let the people decide which side they chose to support.

It is 100% true that we have a oath toward each bother, since we are all symbolically ''brothers''. it is also very true that masons will have better shots a jobs if the boss is also a mason. There is a chance that a mason policeman doesnt give you a ticket you deserve if you are also one and you find a way to have him recognize you as a brother. you know, stuff like that. However, this ''brotherness'' will end somewhere. I dont think that a judge would release a criminal if they are both masons and there is suffisant proofs against the criminal.

the practice of masonry involves rigid moral values and if a mason judge sees another mason involved in a case of murder / bank robbery / rape / etc etc he will probably be harder with the guy than with a non mason. it goes both way you know. Ive seen a brother radiated from my lodge for a case of coke addiction, where he got caught doing coke on the lodge washroom before the ritual and the venerable master caught him. He was expelled the same night by way of masonic tribunal and we sent emails to all masonic organisations we are in contact with to tell them to watch out and not to reintegrate this guy. pretty mean. So like i said before, maybe some people raping children will be masons (although i would not like to see that happen) and theres no way rape is part of masonic teachings. I can't believe a mason would try to protect a brother who did such a thing.

Originally posted by eudaimonia
Wow. I wish I had an available vote to give you. What a difference, what a difference between you and sebatwerk.

There is a very good reason for that.

sebatwerk, maybe you can learn a thing or two from moonchild

Yeah, like how to summon the Horde of Freemason Wizards to cast spells on those wearing the same t-shirt as you (and it hurts)...

dont remove your lips from sebatwerk's behind axeman

[edit on 18-8-2005 by moonchild]

Originally posted by moonchild
dont remove your lips from sebatwerk's behind axeman.

My lips are nowhere near Seb's behind, but your problem is obvious...

Originally posted by The Axeman

Originally posted by moonchild
dont remove your lips from sebatwerk's behind axeman.

My lips are nowhere near Seb's behind, but your problem is obvious...

and what is it? tell me id love to know. Ive came here peacefully, i love being an active member on bards where i have something to contribute to the subjects that are discussed, you guys started dissing me after my first post, all because you fail to recognize a fellow mason. Thats pure BS.

Originally posted by moonchild
and what is it? tell me id love to know.

If you couldn't figure it out from the picture... well...

Ive came here peacefully, i love being an active member on bards where i have something to contribute to the subjects that are discussed...

Yeah, I've seen your posting on other boards... Very constructive.

you guys started dissing me after my first post, all because you fail to recognize a fellow mason. Thats pure BS.

Personally, I don't believe you are a Mason. You can post all the little certificates and links to a clandestine Gransd Lodge that doesn't even post a street address or anything else all you want to. You're not fooling the ones who know.

Your words and your actions on this board betray your charade. There are those (*ahem* eudaimonia...) who are gullible and ignorant enough about Masonry to buy your line, but it ain't me, Jack.

You keep claiming you are a Mason, but you sure don't speak or act like one.

Even if I am wrong and you are a member of a clandestine lodge, well that's all you are. A member. I know Masons; you, Sir, are no kind of Mason.

Period. Paragraph.

[edit on 8/18/05 by The Axeman]

yea yea we all get it now. I however stand by my point. now can we get over all this and get along? Lets not pollute the next thousand threads with repetition of this.

Originally posted by moonchild
yea yea we all get it now.

I don't think you do.

I however stand by my point.

Case in point.

now can we get over all this and get along?

As soon as you either stop claiming to be a Mason, or start acting like one.

Lets not pollute the next thousand threads with repetition of this.

I'm not the one charading around, pretending to be something I am clearly not. When you stop doing that, I'll stop calling you on it.

This is just a bull# thread to garner points for eudaimonia anyways. (You're welcome. )

[edit on 8/19/05 by The Axeman]

Originally posted by The Axeman

Originally posted by moonchild
yea yea we all get it now.

I don't think you do.

I however stand by my point.

Case in point.

now can we get over all this and get along?

As soon as you either stop claiming to be a Mason, or start acting like one.

Lets not pollute the next thousand threads with repetition of this.

I'm not the one charading around, pretending to be something I am clearly not. When you stop doing that, I'll stop calling you on it.

This is just a bull# thread to garner points for eudaimonia anyways. (You're welcome.

)

[edit on 8/19/05 by The Axeman]

And you're the one prescribing ME xanax?

Your arrogance astounds me.

Originally posted by suzy ryan
More selective quoting from Tinkleflower to divert attention from why we speak out.

Nope.

Just trying to - once again - elicit proof, evidence, anything other than insults and/or accusations.

And once again it's not forthcoming.

Sure, you can keep this going ad infinitum, but if you really want to be an advocate for victims, please at least take the time to read the other sources posted. You're seeing only one side of this, and that never does much in the fight to deny ignorance.

If you're an advocate of anyone you have a responsibility to take into account all of the information available.

Not just the bits you want to hear.



[edit on 19-8-2005 by Tinkleflower]

[The title you refer to pertains to his affiliation with the Yale society, Skull & Bones.

Skull & Bones isn't even a fraternity (like Freemasonry is), it admits women into it's ranks.

www.co-masonry.org...

So does Freemasonry apparently!!!!!!!!!

www.geocities.com...

Forget the Albert Pike thing as that is a hoax!!!!

So is this Intial list is false? You did say both Bush Snr and Jnr weren't Freemasons.

It also claims that only 2 presidents were not Masons or elite members of affiliated bodies. Lincoln and Kennedy!!!!!

www.freemasonrywatch.org... claims Skull and Bones functions like an indepedent lodge of Freemasonry

Freemasonry is a fraternity within a fraternity -- an outer organization concealing an inner brotherhood of the elect ... it is necessary to establish the existence of these two separate and yet interdependent orders, the one visible and the other invisible. The visible society is a splendid camaraderie of 'free and accepted' men enjoined to devote themselves to ethical, educational, fraternal, patriotic, and humanitarian concerns. The invisible society is a secret and most August [defined as 'of majestic dignity, grandeur'] fraternity whose members are dedicated to the service of a mysterious arcannum arcandrum [defined as 'a secret, a mystery']." [Hall, Lectures on Ancient Philosophy, p. 433]

That was to counter an argument when I sid there was a group within the group.

www.book-of-thoth.com... and this site also claims that Skull and Bones is but one of these Masonic based secret societies. In the paragraph Basic history of Freemasonry about half way down.

Finally I won't change my signature. Also how can it be said if you're a Mason you're not indoctrinated into that system. They tell you something and you go along with it that is indoctrination.

Originally posted by MrDog
www.co-masonry.org...

So does Freemasonry apparently!!!!!!!!!

Ok - please go and research co-masonry.

www.geocities.com...

Link ain't a-workin, so can't comment on that yet.

www.freemasonrywatch.org... claims Skull and Bones functions like an indepedent lodge of Freemasonry

Two things. First, that site is probably one of the least accurate and objective sites you could have chosen. But perhaps more to the point, do you see the words functions like?

Not to make light of the topic, but on some days I function like an incoherent 5 year old on too much Ritalin. I'm not an incoherent 5 year old on too much Ritalin.

My old car used to function like a Ferrari on some days. And it most definitely was not a Ferrari.




[edit on 19-8-2005 by Tinkleflower]

Originally posted by Tinkleflower

Originally posted by MrDog
www.co-masonry.org...

So does Freemasonry apparently!!!!!!!!!

Ok - please go and research co-masonry.

Co masonry was setup by 12 dissatisfied lodges. However it is still internationally recognised as freemasonry


www.geocities.com...

Link ain't a-workin, so can't comment on that yet.



Works fine for me but here is another link. Go down to George Bush jnr and click on the list next to Colin Powells name

www.heart7.net...

Any comments on the last link I provided. Yes I did see the words functions like.


Sorry I forgot the link

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[edit on 19-8-2005 by MrDog]

[edit on 19-8-2005 by MrDog]

The Skull & Bones society is not Freemasonry.

Are you not alerted by the blatant and obvious headlining?

"Skull and Bones - Yales Elite Satanic Secret Society"

Doesn't this set off any red flags? Such as... "Well, Freemasonry is not Satanic, for one thing..."? Or maybe "If they got that wrong, maybe, just maybe, their site is more than a little biased and unreliable..."?

Co-Masonry

The UGLE and other Anglo jurisdictions do not formally recognize any Masonic body that accepts women, although in many countries they have an understanding and a kind of informal acceptance that such bodies are part of Freemasonry in a larger sense.