Whispers in the Dark--The real deal

You go man! I am with you on this one... Far as I am conerned the whispers guy simply manipulated time indicators via software and made himslef LOOK like something he was not...

Obviously i can't prove this BUT good old Occam's razor would indicate this to be so.

Let's explore the alternative, he is a spook. The first question WHY would he risk all to fortell a major event with global implicatioins on a forum, that at the time, had less than 700 people on line at any moment?

Assuming the desire was to warn the free world this was a VERY inefficient way to do it.

Assuming the desire was to "prove himself a spook" to us this was a REALLY stupid way to do it because of the ability of the admins to track ANYBODY on this board...

Just my $.02 worth...

PEACE...
m...

I'm probably getting a bit testy, so please forgive, me.

Questions about WITD specifically do not matter. We should be caring about the message. If a group of people think WITD is authentic then they should analyze MrEisenhower's post, in pieces, as I started.

WITD didn't post so people could try to pick apart who s/he was, how things were done or if the CIA was involved or not. I am angry because I feel that I see hypocrisy in some places at ATS.

edit - I've said about all I can say. If you give a crap about WITD than be smart and look beyond the events surrounding this little message board, and to the message itself. Then evaluate the message via shared research so it's maximium effect may be achieved.


[Edited on 30-8-2003 by ktprktpr]

I still find it very interesting that Whispers informed ME less than 2 minutes after *someone* called the FBI... before it was even discussed in cosmic, and before William even knew about it (most likely as William was actually on the phone with them).

So how exactly would he have known, unless he was tapped into the intel networks somewhere that allowed him a jump on such info?

Perhaps if this is really a secret forum. Perhaps William could tell us the real *truth* of what happened.

It has occured to me though, perhaps William did do the WITD thing, just like the General was made by one of the staff. William had to blame the story on ahacker to cover his own ass. Yet if what DR says is true, which I have no reason to doubt, then that adds a new spin on things.

Is Cold Anger here? If you are, you said that WITD is not a hacker, you said in a post that WITD did not edited his/her posts and you had screen caps when he/she first posted them. Perhaps now would be a good time to speak out ... please

This is the Really Above Top Secret forum lets make the most out of it

Hmmm.... i didn't conisder that WITD might've been faked for publicity. That would very stupid, given the current political climate, but plausible. In that case I'm not going to pursue this WITD thing any further. But my words are still valid, if you suspect something then research the message, not the thing, and bring it out into the open.

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Yo NC, did he or did he not predict the attack on Jakarta BEFORE the actual bombing happened? I still don't understand that part.

Cheers,

ZM
06.08.03 @ 12:20:03



NC
Yeah, according to the time stamps, which are my local time, the post occured 16 hours BEFORE the attack
06.08.03 @ 14:47:23"

I can assure you with all honesty that I was not involved.

Bob88 and Simon could confirm that the event very nearly caused me to quit hosting ATS as I couldn't justify the expense and stress without any hope of potentential income. A few days later, and we were confirmed for the Google ads... which quite possibly has saved ATS as we know it.

No... if you can trust me... you can trust I had nothing to do with the WITD person... and would have wished it never happened.

Thats good enough for me William

Could you tell us whether the Database was definately hacked? There has been, IMO, a bit of confusion there

[Edited on 30-8-2003 by MrEisenhower]

The question of the screenshots is NOT what they show. The REAL deal would be if the screenshots were copied BEFORE Jakarta blew.

I say this for the obvious reason that IF someone had screenshots showing the "Watch Jakarta" verbiage BEFORE Jakarta popped it becomes a whole different deal.

I was told that the words "Watch Jakarta" were edited into the post AFTER the bomb went off and the DB was hacked to eliminate any evidence of the edit. Thus making it appear as though he/she predicted/knew it was going to happen...

If somebody captured the post, with the words in it, in a screenshot BEFORE the bomb went off then WITD was the real deal or REAL lucky.

Either way I can't IMAGINE why William would want to do something THIS stupid. Frankly i don't beleive it. I have spoken with William on the phone and beleive him to be a smart and decent man.

PEACE...
m...

I'd still like to know more about this so called exploit. Since the board is protected from it now, William should post more info or give us something to search up on our own.

I still think the whole thing really happened. I remember reading the thread the day after he posted that. People didn't seem to pay too much attention to it until the bombing happened the next day. Then everyone was like WOW how'd he know that ... William's helping the FBI keep it under wrap's if you ask me

By it's very nature, PHP is an insecure programming language. Variable names, like $post can be:
1. a cookie named $post
2. A URL string variable named $post
3. An internal variable named $post
and so on

So if a given piece of PHP programming relies on the variable "$post" it can be passed to the programming as a URL variable... and if the programming has no safeguards... you're screwed.

The database was modified with this type of exploit.

My fix has been to change the name of important PHP files, as well as critical variable names.


Since the Apache logs were GIGANTIC that day... I can't tell for certain when or how the spoof occured. I found some lines that look like exploit attempts... but it's not absolute proof.

I dunno wich is more believable ... That whisper's was some l337 h4x0r d00d, or that william is just cooperating with the fbi

Seriously, what's the guy gonna gain by hacking the board to make it look like he knew about the bombing within less than 24hrs of it happening?

It's a mystery.

It was clear that this person was gaining credibility among some members... he didn't need to fake a prediction to improve his status.

In any event... the FBI really didn't want our logs... as they thought it was a hoax.

and we're all 'trusted' members (having had the 3500 ATS bucks

first, let me say trust no one, those points could've easily been a year and a half worth of rambling. looks around.


on this subject i have to say one thing. i do belive that at some time before the attacks, witd gained knowledge that it was to happen and told us, but being the shady suspicious skeptikal bunch we are, we didn't take it much into account until it happened. has anyone wondered if the attack could've been prevented had one of us went renegade and against the unwritten ethics of ats alerted the authoriteis to what happened? it's fun to wonder if one thing went different could we have saved those people?

there's nothing we could've done. His post was to vauge to have been of any use and was in less than 24 hour's of the bombing. Had he posted more info about what would happen, then we *might* have had a chance to act ...

But, I guess it doesn't matter since william say's he was just some super l337 h4x0r d00d with nothing to gain by hacking the board just to make it look like he knew ....

I should point out that Whispers IP was traced by someone (I am not going to release who) whose job is internet security and intelligence, and it DID trace to a DoD node.

I have had contention with William on this particular issue (and granted, Whispers IP was traced from several different posts, and each one had a different IP, therefore was hidden behind a proxy), about it possibly being spoofed.

My point is that a spoofed IP can come up as being nonexistant, but what is the likelihood (in reality) of it coming up as A FUNCTIONAL, ACTIVE, IP FOR A DoD INTEL NETWORK?????

This was the FIRST post that I ran the IP on btw.

My personal take on it (and I am very convinced of this) is that Whispers was likely someone in information processing, likely for the NSA.

"August may be hell"


...Well, WW3 didn't break-out... But some world altering events did happen..

For instance, the UN bombing in Iraq may very well change the structure of the occupation. Also, the killing of the Shiite cleric, the other day, should be noted.

"hell" can also be taken literally. Look at the heat wave in Europe. How many French have died? 10,000? Weather control?

Yes, all of those connections are vague, and none stands as 'proof' of what WITD said... but, one wonders if we would have heard about the UN bombing a day before the attack, too.

Also, the NK situation. NK and the US may very well be on the verge of a nuclear confrontation... thus a 'dummy [football] for the dummy'..

And... WITD never claimed to be psychic, just a man on the inside. So, what events were SUPPOSED to happen, but, due to unexpected moves by other nations, never occured? We have to realize that even well-laid plans have to be scrapped sometimes.

[Edited on 31-8-2003 by onlyinmydreams]

This is the U2U that Whispers sent me regarding the possible terrorist targets. (Please note his caveat that the terrorism in NYC was to be geared towards Chaos ranther than loss of life).

Subject: Re: the whispers
Wrom: EPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZX
To: dragonrider
Sent: 4-8-2003 at 12:09
Message: Highly probable:
- terrorism in DC (more chaos than damage)
- terrorism in Texas (targeting GWB)
- terrorism as a result of Saddam's death

Very likely:
- attempted large-scale terrorism in NYC
- attempted very-large-scale terrorism in DC
- large-scale terrorism in London or Kuwait

Possible:
- something big, very big, in the heartland
- catastrophe in London

Also, nothing. Or rather, nothing made public.

I now believe the rumors of the football are a misdirection. GWB is being sheltered.
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