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World War III (Or the Crusades II) – The 7 Stages to Caliphate

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posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by paperclip
Hitler had an ARMY, one of the mightiest armies at the time. Everyone was expecting him to attack, everybody knew what was coming.


What? He was Time's man of the year in 1938!!!!!

Hitler was a failed artist and just a few years later he had brought together a nation and brain washed them into salivation for world domination! And Hitler was just a nut, he was not a extremist with a religion to back him up either.

This is EXACTLY why we cannot downplay threats of this nature or underestimate Islamic extremism.

[edit on 16-8-2005 by skippytjc]




posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by skippytjc
Hitler was a failed artist and just a few years later he had brought together a nation and brain washed them into salivation for world domination!


Not without help though. A man with Black hair and Brown eyes would not suddenly come up with the plan to create a Super race of Blonde hair and blue eyed people on his own. Nor would a nut use his army to explore the occult, ufo tech and try and locate a 'religious' relic (spear of Destiny).

Sorry, off topic. I guess you can say things are much deeper then what we the public are lead to believe.

PS: Bush was an Alcoholic drug user, few years later he is President of the most powerful nation on Earth, not without help though....



[edit on 16-8-2005 by 7th_Chakra]



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 03:22 PM
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Bah the point is that Germany and Japan had the resources to be a threat even without the influence of totalitarian maniacs. The world is full of megalomaniacs yet most of them never accomplish anything for the simple fact that If you don't have the resources before hand your not going to be able to accomplish anything. You cant win the Grand Prix driving a Yugo even if you are mario Andretti.

The point is these terrorists arent the threat they have been elevated to. They're just a bunch of maniacs in the desert with too much time and C4 on their hands. They pose just as much threat to American interests as any other criminal organization. Your just buying into what they are selling.



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 03:28 PM
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Also I would just like to point out that Hitler did not found the Nazi party nor did he invent the doctrine of Aryanism he followed. The groundwork for his rise was in place long before he came on the scene. In fact I'd wager that the Nazi's might have come to power regardless who was in charge.



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by boogyman
Also I would just like to point out that Hitler did not found the Nazi party nor did he invent the doctrine of Aryanism he followed. The groundwork for his rise was in place long before he came on the scene. In fact I'd wager that the Nazi's might have come to power regardless who was in charge.


Nothing you say is wrong, but you are all but supporting my argument. There are governments out there that would support a caliphate in an instant (Iran, Syria, Saudi to name three). The recources are there. We are talking about nations that control the most valuable resource on the planet.

All we need is enough doubt and uncertainty to bring enough Muslim states together with the right fundamentalist leading the way for this to happen. Well, in a world ruled by the west, the only way thats going to happen is to weaken the west through world opinion to the point where its all Muslims vs the west. And thats exactly what the extremists are doing, and they are doing a wonderful job of it I may add.

And btw: Your Dubya anology is just fine. One more reason to believe that a Islamic caliphate through terrorism is possible.



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 03:39 PM
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Is there a view of this establishment of an Islamic Caliphate from outside the (most widely accepted three) Abrahamic religions? - Is it not kinda looking like sectarianism otherwise, albeit pretty wide sectarianism ?

What about from amongst 800 million Hindus for example ?



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by boogyman
Bah the point is that Germany and Japan had the resources to be a threat even without the influence of totalitarian maniacs. *snip, snip*


Exactly. That's what I am trying to say.

A world wide caliphate would require an ARMY capable of defeating all other armies including the most powerful ones ever to exist on Earth (USA, China, India, EU, Japan) and somehow destroying all nukes the west has before they are launched ( because the west would launch those if there was a threat of some gigantic mega army, that's for sure).

Lets not forget that this super army is supposed to be formed on a failed ideology that nobody wants in their country. (as Gazrok said, you cannot "un-westernize" a country; once you have a TV, you ain't giving it back, there is a latest season of Middle Eastern Idol to watch
; yeah, the show actually exists
)

Skippy, do you actually believe such thing is possible??? That the Al-Qaeda actually has the potential to take over the world??

Zarqawi is like The Brain in "Pinky and The Brain" cartoon... always trying to take over the world with some stupid plans that ultimately fail miserably



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 03:53 PM
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BBC Reports


"Kyrgyz group aims for Caliphate
By Artyom Liss and Damian Grammaticas
BBC News, Kyrgyzstan



Hizb ut Tahrir say they want a Caliphate to arise through evolution
The London bombings have prompted the UK government to outlaw Hizb ut Tahrir - a radical Islamic group that wants to replace secular governments with an Islamic Caliphate, or super-state run according to Sharia Law.

The group is particularly strong in Central Asia, where it believes it may take the first steps towards establishing its Caliphate.

High in the mountains of poverty-stricken Kyrgyzstan in Central Asia a bearded man with a fierce gaze slices a watermelon. It is a very colourful sight - red drops of juice on the green carpet, with the glistening snow-covered peaks in the distance.

"In this village, people trust us, not the authorities," says Nur Mohammed, a local leader of Hizb ut Tahrir, which is also banned in Kyrgyzstan..."



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 04:49 PM
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What exactly would the Islamic community wage a world war with, the Kalishnikov, oil embargos, further lack in the use of deodorant?



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by skippytjc

Originally posted by paperclip
Hitler had an ARMY, one of the mightiest armies at the time. Everyone was expecting him to attack, everybody knew what was coming.


What? He was Time's man of the year in 1938!!!!!

Hitler was a failed artist and just a few years later he had brought together a nation and brain washed them into salivation for world domination! And Hitler was just a nut, he was not a extremist with a religion to back him up either.

This is EXACTLY why we cannot downplay threats of this nature or underestimate Islamic extremism.

[edit on 16-8-2005 by skippytjc]


Yes, he was TIME's man of the year, for good reason, too. You should really try to read the TIME article linked here: www.thirdreich.net...


Pace Quickened. Germany's 700,000 Jews have been tortured physically, robbed of homes and properties, denied a chance to earn a living, chased off the streets. Now they are being held for "ransom," a gangster trick through the ages. But not only Jews have suffered. Out of Germany has come a steady, ever- swelling stream of refugees, Jews and Gentiles, liberals and conservatives, Catholics as well as Protestants, who could stand Naziism no longer. TIME's cover, showing Organist Adolf Hitler playing his hymn of hate in a desecrated cathedral while victims dangle on a St. Catherine's wheel and the Nazi hierarchy looks on, was drawn by Baron Rudolph Charles von Ripper, a Catholic who found Germany intolerable.


They knew what was comming. In the 30's he was building an illegal military and annexing countries.

You should try to read up on history before you open up that yap of yours again and make a fool of yourself.



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 05:10 PM
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I for one an going to set back and wait, im no longer going to debate and argue with people such and souljah and his ignorant followers, who protect the enemy, Because the day will come that these sheep come face to face with these savages, and on that day they will see how innocent and peacefull islam is, they will see it in the from the eyes of Nicholas Berg, Paul Johnson among many others, when they are in a room with these savages, chanting about how great allah is and the death to the west, they will set in this room infront of a camera praying for help, thinking about there families, remembering the days they were a child and there parents were there to save them from all the bad things, but there parents wont be there for them this time, They will be alone and at the mercy of these savages, only these savages will show you no mercy, They will force you to the floor and hold you down as they slowly slice of your head, and display it proudly infront of the camera for all there followers to see and enjoy like cheap porn, all in the name of allah.

On that day, they will know why we are the way we are, and why we think the way we do, only it will be to late for them, because they will be dead.

So to all the NeoCons here dont try and change the minds of these sheep anymore, let them wallow in inorance, let them die by the enemy they so cherise, and protect.

[edit on 16-8-2005 by C0le]



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 05:14 PM
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So anticipating an Muslim invasion of the west in the future are you?

Good luck with that, but while your waiting what will you do with yourself?



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 10:09 PM
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just another islamophobic thread


Its really hard to understand "neocons" and their agenda. In weaponry and aircraft thread, they say:

"US is superior in terms of nuclear arms. Be it in terms of accuracy, reliability and quantity, We OWN everyone else".

"Our aircraft is the best. the rest of the worlds airforce is decades behind us". Enemy planes will be shot down in droves without even detecting our superior fighters"

"US has the best C3I system. M1 abrams tank is the best. f22 is the best. There is no navy like the US navy"

Yet, they come here to "fear" a bunch of islamic extremist creating a new world order based on islam. What do neocons really believed in? That the US is superior to evryone else or they are just a victim of islamic extremists?

Its either you are so superior(as you have strongly believed in) or you are not that good since you fear a bunch of ragtag islamic extremist.



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by thaei
just another islamophobic thread


Its really hard to understand "neocons" and their agenda. In weaponry and aircraft thread, they say:

"US is superior in terms of nuclear arms. Be it in terms of accuracy, reliability and quantity, We OWN everyone else".

"Our aircraft is the best. the rest of the worlds airforce is decades behind us". Enemy planes will be shot down in droves without even detecting our superior fighters"

"US has the best C3I system. M1 abrams tank is the best. f22 is the best. There is no navy like the US navy"


All of which is true, unfortunately, America is like a siamese twin, One twin wants to go one way, the other twin wants to go the other way, neither group gets what they want.

[edit on 16-8-2005 by C0le]



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 11:33 PM
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Israel has better fighter pilots than America does, they have a far superior record and their training tops the US. America is not the best at everything, being big does not mean you are number 1 at everything.



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 11:55 PM
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My, how His Story repeats himself.

Not to worry, if Islam persists in irritating those of us with a brain, there is a cure- and it ain't even
A Merican: Gengis Khan.

Note especially: "1258 (AD), Baghdad — (casualties) ~800,000 people. Results in destruction of Abbasid (Moslem) dynasty".

Genghis was chewing the tail off the bull when El Cid put the sword in his eye.

America is not alone in all this, y'all... we got Friends.


[edit on 17-8-2005 by Chakotay]



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 01:26 AM
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Khan sure did pioneer war tactics. He used to take captured soldiers, mount them on horses and lead them into battle so the enemy's archers would hit not the Mongol warrior but some poor friend or foe not attached to the horde that wished to anihilate them.

Yesterday, I was reminded of this very tactic when in an Ernest Borgnine movie called Torpedo Run, the Japanese put 1400 American prisoners of war on board a battleship in the lead of the fleet, some of whom were the wife and child of the submarine's captain (Not Borginine). Very similar to Khan.

During the first Gulf War, many of the open battlefield tank maneuvers General Schwartzkopf made were reminiscent of Khan's very use of a mounted soldier unit.

Now we have Islamic insurgents in Iraq who wish to hide amongst the civilian population, which can be interpreted in a way similar to Khan's tactics.

This style of fighting, suicide bombing, flying airplanes into buildings, setting off car bombs, and guerilla fighting in mountainous regions are the only effective means of combat by which the Islamic fighter/terrorist of today are equiped with carrying out.

I cannot forsee their tactics changing beyond this in the forth coming years of the supposed WWIII era. The only Islamic country in the world with a military identifiable with being decent is Pakistan, but I don't see Pakistan under its current military dicatatorship trying to pick up the fight Ossama has started.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 09:55 AM
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I find it a bit ironic that they want to destroy the US and its culture while allot of current western culture/tech and words came from the Islamic world.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 10:19 AM
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Does it interest anyone else, that while the American's are the one with the most weapons at their disposal, they are also very timid creatures, almost bordering on cowardice? To brag about being so strong and mighty, to claim to wage a war on Terror, and then to conviently forget about the real terror, with real weapons while trying to big up a two bit dictator without any real means of defense...

Seems their is an inverse relationship between weapons and security. That while it makes comman sense that the more weapons and means for defense one would have the more secure they should feel - this doesn't seem to be true. In fact the reverse seems to be more evident.

I am reminded of a story of this old wealthy guy in Toronto friends of the family did work for way back when. He'd only let certain companies do any of the servicing on their radio equipment and while there one day doing some work my friends father was being shown around the mansion, until he asked where the guy spent most of his time noting that the place looked more like a musuem than a home. It turns out that they guy, by having so much, was fearfull of just about everyone and thus spent most of his time at home in the attic with only one way in or our - through the trapdoor, however apun entering the attic via the trapdoor your would be faced with his "living area", and directly at your back is a shotgun geared so that by pressing one button in his living area it would cause the gun to fire.

He had everything anyone should want, and because of that he had nothing. America has all the weapons in the world, and yet those that brag about these weapons seem to be actually very timid people shooting at shadows and make beleive boogy men.

Man, you are a strange animal. - Gowan.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 10:26 AM
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Passer By -

HUH?

Care to comment on the topic? Even read the original post? And please, the Canadians (French) shouldnt throw stones in glass houses, and I will leave it at that.




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