as much as i love to see an alternative that could make America less reliant on foreign oil, reduce pollution etc. the inventor did use the trunk as
extra room to add more batteries. so the question is where do u put a stack of groceries or bags of clothes to? the technology still has a lot to go
before u can put small batteries that powers the car to about 100 miles to the gallon while not consuming space.
80 - 250 miles per gallon... it's happening !!!, page
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CORTE MADERA, California (AP) -- Politicians and automakers say a car that can both reduce greenhouse gases and free America from its reliance on
foreign oil is years or even decades away.
Ron Gremban says such a car is parked in his garage.
It looks like a typical Toyota Prius hybrid, but in the trunk sits an 80-miles-per-gallon secret -- a stack of 18 brick-sized batteries that boosts the car's high mileage with an extra electrical charge so it can burn even less fuel.
Gremban, an electrical engineer and committed environmentalist, spent several months and $3,000 tinkering with his car.
Like all hybrids, his Prius increases fuel efficiency by harnessing small amounts of electricity generated during braking and coasting. The extra batteries let him store extra power by plugging the car into a wall outlet at his home in this San Francisco suburb -- all for about a quarter.
He's part of a small but growing movement. "Plug-in" hybrids aren't yet cost-efficient, but some of the dozen known experimental models have gotten up to 250 mpg.
www.cnn.com...
So whats the problem... why not get this technology out and save everyone some money... I just don't get it.
Ron Gremban says such a car is parked in his garage.
It looks like a typical Toyota Prius hybrid, but in the trunk sits an 80-miles-per-gallon secret -- a stack of 18 brick-sized batteries that boosts the car's high mileage with an extra electrical charge so it can burn even less fuel.
Gremban, an electrical engineer and committed environmentalist, spent several months and $3,000 tinkering with his car.
Like all hybrids, his Prius increases fuel efficiency by harnessing small amounts of electricity generated during braking and coasting. The extra batteries let him store extra power by plugging the car into a wall outlet at his home in this San Francisco suburb -- all for about a quarter.
He's part of a small but growing movement. "Plug-in" hybrids aren't yet cost-efficient, but some of the dozen known experimental models have gotten up to 250 mpg.
www.cnn.com...
So whats the problem... why not get this technology out and save everyone some money... I just don't get it.
reply posted on 16-8-2005 @ 04:46 AM by CPYKOmega
We have had hybrid cars and electric cars for years now. The only reason the gov't is developing them now is beause of the Peak Oil problem. The
oil companies didn't want to lose their billions of dollars back in the 80's. We haven't needed oil for decades, because there are many other ways
to create energy which are less costly and produce more output.
Look this up for yourself guys and gals. They have had electric cars ever since the Nicola Tesla days. (Late 1890's, early 1900's)
Those batteries in cars have also been around for ages. Joseph Newman has developed an energy machine that will solve all of todays energy problems. He has patents for his device in countries all around the world... EXEPT the United States. I wonder why???
A book discussing his work is entitled "The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman." It has blueprints and shows you everything about the machine and how to build it yourself. Warning that the book is 700+ pages so it is a long read, but worth it.
www.josephnewman.com...
Book [ISBN: 0-9613835-7-7]
Look this up for yourself guys and gals. They have had electric cars ever since the Nicola Tesla days. (Late 1890's, early 1900's)
Those batteries in cars have also been around for ages. Joseph Newman has developed an energy machine that will solve all of todays energy problems. He has patents for his device in countries all around the world... EXEPT the United States. I wonder why???
A book discussing his work is entitled "The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman." It has blueprints and shows you everything about the machine and how to build it yourself. Warning that the book is 700+ pages so it is a long read, but worth it.
www.josephnewman.com...
Book [ISBN: 0-9613835-7-7]
reply posted on 24-8-2005 @ 10:18 PM by alawler
In this month's Popular Science, there was a short snippet about an extremely fuel efficient diesel made by Mercedes Benz. It was modeled after a
tropical fish which has some of the closest aerodynamic properties to a drop of water [which they say has the ideal aerodynamic properties.] The Car
looks awful but they say it can get 70-80mpg highway with its diesel engine. Non-Hybrid, normal diesel engine. The piece said that it was only a
prototype and they dont have it slated for production but it also said that it shows that they can make efficient cars.
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reply posted on 29-8-2005 @ 07:22 AM by AceOfBase
There's a lot of information on different plug-in hybrid project on the site below:
www.greencarcongress.com...
Quite a few people are working on it and they do have diesel-electric hybrids.
Toyota seems to have some reservations about it but that does seem to be stopping independent outlets from modifying existing hybrids into plug-in hybrids.
www.greencarcongress.com...
Quite a few people are working on it and they do have diesel-electric hybrids.
Toyota seems to have some reservations about it but that does seem to be stopping independent outlets from modifying existing hybrids into plug-in hybrids.
calcar
As you well know, the true environmental impact of a plug-in depends on the source of the electrical charge. Coal-burning power plants do not lessen the greenhouse gas production and criteria pollutants increase. Secondly, to create a vehicle that meets consumers’ needs, a breakthrough in battery technology in regard to capacity, durability and cost, is necessary. Outside experts predict this isn’t likely to happen this decade.
In the meantime, we are strongly committed to our hybrid technology which offers a great balance of reduced petroleum consumption, improved fuel economy, cleanest criteria pollutants and driving pleasure at a price people can afford. We have such confidence in hybrids’ durability and reliability that Toyota is looking to increase the number of gas-electric hybrids on the road. We have 10 hybrids under development globally now and by early next decade it's conceivable that 25 percent of the vehicles we sell here in the United States will have hybrid powertrains.
reply posted on 29-8-2005 @ 07:56 PM by asawa
Well most people are lazy/stupid, not all are. Plus, there are plenty of entrepreneur types out there that are smart and if they thought they could
make money providing a service of adding plugs to hybrids, they'd do it (unless the gov't shuts them down for violating some stupid regulation or
something, or Toyota sues them, or some patent holder who never uses the patent sues them... which brings us back to your point about people are
stupid).
Anyway, I found a web site that compares gas vs electric car costs via a calculator where you enter the current prices, etc.:
www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us...
This is for a very specific OLD electric-only car, so not sure how applicable it would be to the Prius. Electric appears to be cheaper according to the calculations, at least cost per mile (not initial cost of car).
I saw someone going down the street once at about 20mph on roller blades with a small gas engine strapped to one of the boots. I bet he gets great mileage, but it'd suck in the winter around here with all the snow/ice.
Anyway, I found a web site that compares gas vs electric car costs via a calculator where you enter the current prices, etc.:
www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us...
This is for a very specific OLD electric-only car, so not sure how applicable it would be to the Prius. Electric appears to be cheaper according to the calculations, at least cost per mile (not initial cost of car).
I saw someone going down the street once at about 20mph on roller blades with a small gas engine strapped to one of the boots. I bet he gets great mileage, but it'd suck in the winter around here with all the snow/ice.
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