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posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 12:07 PM
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it's midnight in china
go to sleep now
continue this tomorrow
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posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 12:08 PM
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Jadechina, everyone here admits the Japanese Imperial forces committed crimes against your countryman and many others....and they paid a high price for their actions. We dropped (2) Atomic bombs on their cities and fire-bombed the rest......don't you think thats enough?

Thanks to your belligerant leaders threats, Japan is now arming up for war.

You sound like you want revenge, well you may get your chance, but I would put my money on the JDF's high tech military before your countries any ol day.

Remember, if you fight Japan...you fight America as well. Is that what you really want?

Maximu§



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posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 12:16 PM
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Admin. Edit

Please Post in English Only

[edit on 8-15-2005 by William One Sac]



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by deltaboy
if i remember correctly, China pretty much failed to defeat the U.S. in the Korean Peninsula. even wen the American troops were outnumbered big time.


Allied Troops!!!!

Korea was a UN action and involved many more countries (22 in total) than just the Yanks - you don't seem to know much about Korea.

BTW Today's apology by the Japanese PM seemed very genuine - hopefully it was seen in Japan and not just for external consumption.



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 12:38 PM
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Hey Jade,
Before you promote bitterness, hate, and the endless keeping of grudges, perhaps you should examine what it will lead to.
What could possibly come from such immaturity but another war, with more suffering for all just as the last war involved. Why would you want to resurrect that kind of misery?

China should also consider it's war record against Japan. It's not exactly promising. If there was a little guy who always seemed to kick the snot out of me whenever we fought, the last thing I'd do is walk around talking about how much I hate him, and trying to foster a new fight.



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by jadechina
i am not an agent and not CCP.
today is 15/8/05,do you remember 15/8/1945.
60years!we chinese all remember that day!
and we will not forgive Japesese.
though troops of US and some eastern countries had invaded china.
we all forgive them.

i will not forgive JAP.i cannt tell you the reasons in english,thats very complaicated
i want to know your attitude toward jap


dude... when did US ever invade China?????????? I think you mix it with western european nations like britian, France, etc. the United States never invade China...!!! prove me wrong.



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by jadechina
i cannt tell you the reasons in english,thats very complaicated

? They invaded your country, murdered huge numbers of your people and tried to establish a military dictatorship over all of china while dumping poisons on the population. Rape of Nanking and all. I don't think it requires much more than that no?

i want to know your attitude toward jap

I think 'japanese' might be a better way to say it. When I saw the title of this thread I thought, in fact, that it was comming from an American. A lot of people in the US will never forgive Japan for Pearl Harbour, and will simply never trust them enough to permit them to have a real military or have any sort of power because of it.



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
I think 'japanese' might be a better way to say it. When I saw the title of this thread I thought, in fact, that it was comming from an American. A lot of people in the US will never forgive Japan for Pearl Harbour, and will simply never trust them enough to permit them to have a real military or have any sort of power because of it.


Well... your wrong... pretty much all americans like japan, espically for their cartoons like DBZ
and their Playstations


we are now really good allies.



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 03:58 PM
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I'm not saying most american's, I'm saying that there are a lot of americans, especially the ones that were around for it, that won't trust the Japanese, ever, because of it, and the foul treatment of prisoners I might add.



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 05:20 PM
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Nygdan is right about how especially the older generations don't totally trust Japan. We young folks have to check our belief that people can change against the fact that Japan's strategic and economic situation does favor expansionsim. Young people don't think about it because as far as our experience goes, they've always just been a neat and different culture with awesome looking writing and a real knack for building VCRs.

Those who have seen Japan drunk, so to speak, see their somewhat rigid society and technical genius in a different light. Make no mistake, if America starts to slide strategically, Japan almost certainly will make a play on the Phillipines, Indonesia, Malaysia and perhaps South East Asia. If they get away with that, they just might set their sights on Taiwan, Korea, and Vladivostok, Russia next.

Even Caspar Weinberger (Reagan's Secretary of Defense) holds the belief that expansionism and militancy remain problems in Japan, listing it as a concern in his book "The Next War".

All of that being said, China had better try to bury the hatchet. As time distances Japan from its pledge to forsake belligerence as an instrument of policy, Japan's strength relative to China will increase, not decrease, and the greatest assurance of safety for both nations will be forgiveness and a strong will to cooperate with one another as the preeminent powers of the region.
If I had to guess, I'd say that by 2050, Japan's Navy and Airforce will have strayed quite a bit from their pledge to minimal strength and non-belligerence, and Japan can deploy sufficient air and sea defense in the form of laser and scramjet missile technology to give China the mother of all bloody noses if the two should go to war.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by ulshadow
dude... when did US ever invade China?????????? I think you mix it with western european nations like britian, France, etc. the United States never invade China...!!! prove me wrong.


Not sure if it qualifies as an invasion, but there was a Marine Corp. presence in China for a period before WWII.

history.sandiego.edu...


This is the "help" Major General Smedley Butler referred to in his oft quoted statement from the Socialist newspaper Common Sense in 1935:



I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.....[snip]........In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.


This could be part of the sand (outside of recent anti-Japan propaganda produced by the Chinese government) in jadechina's crotch.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 12:55 AM
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Hey it was war, and they did end up getting two cities nuked...

Also Japan drunk? That's easy, in their culture if a guest drinks a glass, they do to, if they drink another, same thing. So a big Round Eye drinks a six pack and is ready for business, a japanese man drinks a six pack as custom goes and is passed out on the floor. Also the japanese women like the ganjii(foreiger) from America because we apparently treat our women better and they know it.

Gozaimasu Japan.(Literal teanslation is Excuse Me Japan or Sorry Japan but would be in this context known as Forgive Japan, if I spelled it right)

Also, Vietnam kicked Chinas butt. Vietnam is a a tough little bastard that not even the greats like China and America could beat.

[edit on 17-8-2005 by James the Lesser]



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 01:07 AM
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I meant to mention that in my earlier post. 45,000 troops from 8 nations (China, Japan, America, Britain, Russia, Germany, Italy, and Austria/Hungary) cooperated to put down the Boxer Rebellion in 1900.

One of the more interesting aspects of this is that Smedley Butler and President Hoover met eachother there, and didn't get along very well. This might have had something to do with Hoover's decision to have MacArthur put down Butler's "Bonus Army" by force.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 03:26 AM
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As the purpose of this site is to deny ignorance, let me clarify a few of the ignorant statements you just made.


Originally posted by James the Lesser
Also Japan drunk? That's easy, in their culture if a guest drinks a glass, they do to, if they drink another, same thing.


RUBBISH. In Japan if you no longer wish to drink your drink, you leave your glass full. The only thing your statement vaguely resembles is the tradition of not letting your guest pour their own drink.



So a big Round Eye drinks a six pack and is ready for business, a japanese man drinks a six pack as custom goes and is passed out on the floor.


I am a 6' 2" Irishman. I can drink a fair bit. I have met Japanese guys half my size who have drunk me under the table. This is an out-of-date stereo-type which has no place on this site.

Although it pales in comparison to your next nugget of knowledge.



Also the japanese women like the ganjii(foreiger) from America because we apparently treat our women better and they know it.


Firstly it is gaijin as any Clavell fan will tell you. Of the half-dozen Japanese women I know who have married foreigners, it was because they liked the person rather than the country they came from. No Japanese woman in their right mind would set themselves up for a lifetime of bigotry and racism in a very close-minded and xenophobic society unless, they really liked that person.

So, I would appreciate anyone keeping their misconceptions about Japan to themselves, less the make a fool of themselves.



Gozaimasu Japan.(Literal teanslation is Excuse Me Japan or Sorry Japan but would be in this context known as Forgive Japan, if I spelled it right)


Eh, no.

Take it from someone who speaks Japanese, you should be saying, Nihon, gomen nasai. Gozaimasu is only a polite suffix used with other words to increase their politeness. Come on people! Stop posting such ignorance!!



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 05:46 AM
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Someone doesnt know what exactly what the topic is so I change the topic.
I just show my viewpiont:never forgive Jap.
I can not express all my viewpoints because of my poor English.
I can not express my anger when I mention any topics about Japan,including the war,the crude Japanese soilders.
They killed 300000 in Nanking!Sometimes I cried for my dead people but I remember what the Japanese own to us forever,till the day I die.That's blood!But Japanese doesnt have the correct attitude toward the history.
Like Japan, Germany committed crimes in WW2,but Germany has very different attitude.
I am not CCP,not mention the agent.I have some American friends from Texas,but they refused to tell me what their attitudes are,including Taiwan.
So I posted this topic here.
PS:I will improve my poor English and tell you what a Chinese youngter think.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 05:50 AM
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Who can tell me why I cannt edit the topic?



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 05:53 AM
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dude... when did US ever invade China?????????? I think you mix it with western european nations like britian, France, etc. the United States never invade China...!!! prove me wrong. i mean in the Ching dynasty.Maybe the word"invade"is not correct.I said my english is toooooooooooooooo poor.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 06:12 AM
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Jade's mention of the Qing Dynasty refers to a series of conflicts in the late 19th and early 20th century in which America was involved.
After the First Opium War, following the Chinese ban on the drug, America occupied concessions in China under the Treaty of Nanking.

Then when the Chinese rebelled against the Qing Dynasty (which was not actually Chinese, but Manchu, and had culturally oppressed the Chinese during their reign since the 17th century) America and other nations helped put down the rebellions, the second to last of which was the Boxer Rebellion which I mentioned earlier.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by jadechina
Someone doesnt know what exactly what the topic is so I change the topic.
I just show my viewpiont:never forgive Jap.
I can not express all my viewpoints because of my poor English.


jadechina, your english is okay and a lot better than most Japanese people are capable of, so keep going! You are doing fine!!



I can not express my anger when I mention any topics about Japan,including the war,the crude Japanese soilders.
They killed 300000 in Nanking!Sometimes I cried for my dead people but I remember what the Japanese own to us forever,till the day I die.That's blood!


I want to ask you some questions.

1. What will it take to forgive Japan?

2. Why haven't the apoligies so far been enough?

3. If you hate Japan so much, why trade with them?

4. Why let Japanese factories come into your country and give you jobs?

5. Do you think a country can change? I mean, do you believe Japan is now really commited to peace?



But Japanese doesnt have the correct attitude toward the history.
Like Japan, Germany committed crimes in WW2,but Germany has very different attitude.


6. What is Germany doing that Japan isn't doing?

7. What would you like Japan to do?



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 10:15 AM
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Well howmuchisthedoggy has got it right. The Present generation dont consider themselves responsible for WW2 and dont want anything to do with it.
The fact is Japan today is very very different from what it was during the days of WW2. The Japanese are proud people just like the Chinese and that is why they aren't so forthcoming with the apologies.
Granted that the Japanese did terrible things in the name of the Empire and it would be stupid to forget the past but now 60 years on I think it is time that the Chinese bury the hatchet and move on.
I would also like to say that to accuse Japan continually for its role in Nanjing for 60 years is very biased when the Chinese themselves have on numerous occasions been aggressors and treat their own people very inhumanely.
Mao who is the founder of present day china himself was responsible for killing millions of progressive Chinese in his "Cultural Revolution" not the mention the fact about the atrocities by the Peoples army against Tibetans and how defenseless Buddhists were slaughtered by the Peoples army.
So I personally feel that if China really expects to get a proper apology the CCP should start by apologizing to its own people for Tianamen, for the occupation of Tibet, for the aggression against India, for the aggression against Vietnam. It is Karma in a way, what you sow is what you reap.

Most Japanese wont want to apologize today, they see it as shameful but they feel that they are not responsible and after Hiroshima and Nagasaki when brutality was brought on to their door step and they experienced it first hand they realized the implications of war. The commitment to peace in Japan is very strong, I believe that they wouldn’t want to arm themselves even if they were given an opportunity but with the situation in N.Korea and the malevolence from China their resolve to remain non-militarized may wane.

Jade I think that what Japan did in WW2 was very very wrong but you have to realize that what Japan was in those days is not what it is now. Just as China is not what it was during WW2.





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