NEWS: Cypriot Airliner Crashes in Greece.

Riwka - according to CNN, the passengers included 59 adults and eight children who were disembarking at Athens for a vacation along with 46 adults and two children who were headed to Prague.

10 children, the rest adults.

A tragedy either way though

The airplane experienced a cabin pressure malfunction which meant oxygen mask were deployed, the oxygen mask had gases added before hand which would make anyone pass out by breathing into the mask. Then the evil bad guy took his Tom Cruise mask off, shot the scientist, his pilot friend then shot the remaining pilots, and they all jumped out the back.

Originally posted by Frosty
The airplane experienced a cabin pressure malfunction which meant oxygen mask were deployed, the oxygen mask had gases added before hand which would make anyone pass out by breathing into the mask. Then the evil bad guy took his Tom Cruise mask off, shot the scientist, his pilot friend then shot the remaining pilots, and they all jumped out the back.

Frosty, i personally don't think this is the time or place to be making jokes in regard to this tragedy.

Sanc'.

This is strange. Decompresion and the sinking of temeprature takes time - much more time than it would be needed for pilots to bring the plane closer to the surface, especially if they had oxygen masks available.

Unless it was a gradual decompression, and they didn't notice it in time. Or they had a problem with their oxygen masks and couldn't fix it. Or one had a heart attack and the other took his mask off to help him.... There are any number of reasons why it could have happened.

UK Wizard is on vacation in that area at the present moment I believe.....

I hope he's okay.....

This story is getting stranger by the minute. They are reporting that autopsies are showing the passengers to be "frozen solid"; including the ones whose skin was burned by flames after impact.

And at first the story was that the F-16 pilots saw "no signs of life" in the cockpit. But now they are saying there were two additional people moving about the cockpit that they assume were passengers or crew trying to take control of the plane. And apparently these people in the cockpit knew enough to go into a continuous right turn to show they didn't have radio communication.

And I still haven't figured out how a passenger would know the pilot's face was turning blue unless, as some one suggested, they had drug him out into the aisle of the passenger cabin.

Frozen solid???

www.msnbc.msn.com...

EDIT: Forgot link.

[edit on 8-15-2005 by Valhall]

I wonder whether it was shot down. It looks like it didn't run completely of fuel (large fire on crash site) and I don't think the autopilot would crash it to the mointain after 2 hours of flight. I think it was shot down by those F-16.

They found the black box and are sending it off for analysis. Hopefully that will reveal a little more. It is very strange that the bodies were frozen solid. Anybody know if there were any strange weather occurances in that area during the time of the crash or a little before? I can't get the scene from "The Day After Tomorrow" out of my head when the helicoptors crashed because of a very drastic drop in temperature. Yikes!

UPDATE>

Sky news are Reporting...
police raid offies of helois airlines over crash, they have a warrent to search for documents in case of a criminal investigation,


AP.... one man was arrested today after saying he got a call from a family member on the plane, he said his cousin called saying farwell but the mans name was not of the list.


Awaiting links for both storys that are now breaking,



[edit on 15-8-2005 by asala]

They reported air conditioning problems after takeoff. An outflow valve may have failed at high altitude thus the massive decompression. 10 seconds in this without oxygen and you are toast + freezing temperature. I am sure this what happened.

However a POINT in the story clearly missed. HOW QUICKLY THE F-16s joined up with the airliner. Literally right away after lost contact.

I suppose the Greeks are better than we are at this - remember 9/11.

Originally posted by NavyDog
However a POINT in the story clearly missed. HOW QUICKLY THE F-16s joined up with the airliner. Literally right away after lost contact.

I suppose the Greeks are better than we are at this - remember 9/11.

Really? I have read the plane flew for 2 hours without contact or being escorted. Only after it aproached Athens and havent respond they sent the F-16.

They still cannot find the captain's body, nor can anyone explain why he was not in the cockpit.

Very strange.

Why was the co-pilot unconscious in the cockpit 40 minutes before the crash and why he was alone, with the captain nowhere in sight??

And as of this very moment.. NO body of the captian found!

f-16's interecepted those planes pretty fast; faster compared to 9/11.

Luxifero

Gosh more news coming out that some where still alive when the plane crashed,

The chief coroner in the Cypriot plane crash investigation has contradicted earlier reports that the passengers died while the aircraft was still in flight.

The news comes after police raided the Larnaca offices of Helios Airways, which owned the jet.


A spokesman for Cyprus authorities said a search warrant had been issued "to secure... documents and other evidence which could be useful for the investigation into possible criminal acts".

Sky news

I tihnk it's weird that they said about the F16's seeing the co-pilot slumped and oxygen masks down so quickly, and they didn't mention the people trying to take over the plane until today. Maybe some additional information to cover up shooting it down? Blame it on people trying to take over and they couldn't. And one of the Black-boxes is 'damaged'.

I can understand it, if they assessed the situation as being hopeless, which it was, with no-one to control the plane, what would you do?
Allow the autopilot to fly it to a populated area only to inevitably crash as everyone was incapacitated - or shoot it down over unpopulated territory.

Obviously you would shoot it down, but most people - especially those with relatives would not be able to come to terms with that simple and obvious necessity.

So I think they shot it down because there was no other option and the people in the cabin is to give a reason why the autopilot would suddenly disengage. Which it wouldn't until it reached it's destination.
The pilots sound like they were dead, and they couldn't fly. And 99% of people wouldn't even know where to start to fly a plane. I'd give it a good crack, but flying light aircraft like I have is a far cry from a big airliner.

And sadly that was all they coiuld do to avert a greater catastrophe.

The real criminals are the people that allowed this plane to fly when it already had problems, causing the situation in the first place.
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[edit on 15-8-2005 by AgentSmith]

Here is a link to a similar accident that happened about 5 years ago with a learjet. In this accident the NTSB was unable to determine whether or not they had supplemental oxygen on board when the decompression occured.

The same could have happened here. Pilots are trained to immediately go on O2 and initiate an emergency descent for a loss of cabin pressure. If the O2 system hadn't been serviced, and they missed it on their preflight, they would likely lose consciousness in a matter of seconds--especially if it was a rapid decompression. It's unlikely that they would have continued to climb with a faulty pressurization system as every pilot knows this would be a death sentence.

A pilot being out of the cockpit is normal as they have to use the lav as well.

Just in regard to the questions regarding the fighter's scramble...

Greece's Eleftherotypia newspaper, quoting senior government sources, reported that if the plane had continued flying for just five more minutes Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis would have had to give an order to shoot it down.

The doomed flight was declared "renegade" when it entered Greek airspace and failed to make radio contact. Two F-16 fighter jets were scrambled to investigate.

The paper said Karamanlis "had the worst hours of his life" when told the plane was heading toward Athens. It crashed just 40 kms (25 miles) north of the crowded capital of 5 million.

and

The Ethnos newspaper reported on Tuesday that the F-16 pilots had captured video footage of a female flight attendant, one of six crew, trying to take control of the plane.

A passenger list showed the German chief pilot...

yahoo

How come some people were still conscience and others not?

Sanc'.

The autopsies showed that people were alive, not conscious.

Originally posted by waynos
The autopsies showed that people were alive, not conscious.

But the fighter escort report they saw crew members attempting to regain control in the cockpit. How then were they able make it to the cockpit, whilst reports state that most passengers were unconscience and the pilots had turned blue, and remain conscience themselves?

Sanc'.