Originally posted by suzy ryan
O.K. I would really like to know if these children claimed ritual satanic abuse and then recanted without any 'presure' from you or anyone or if you
and others just decided they were lying.
When the children in question first made the allegations, they had been "coached", by two social workers in particular. The questions asked of the
children involved some dubious techniques, involving leads such as "Did Mrs X ever touch you anywhere bad?". Leading questions such as this are
considered valid, ethical or even "ok", by psychiatrists, psychologists and police departments. I do hope you can see why
this is the case.
After the investigations were completed, the children were questioned in a much more ambiguous manner, using questions such as:
"When you were at Mrs X's house, tell us what happened after you had dinner". In other words, answers were solicited using a much more objective
technique, allowing the children to use their own words
to describe what happened, instead of trying to appease the questioner by answering
what they thought was the right answer
. In summary, the children either recanted through simple voluntary admittals that "well, it wasn't
really like that...." and similar answers, or they admitted that though some abuse happened, it was by two male relatives. No Satanism, and no
occult or ritualistic elements.
I have to say it angers and scares me to know that people with your lack of acceptance of ritual satanic abuse get to study the files of these of
You're objecting to an observer or other interested party having access to files simply because they're questioning the circumstances?! Your anger
might be misplaced; I'd be more angry at the people who are duping these kids to begin with.
In what capacity were you 'involved'? Police, doctor, social worker, what?
And this is where we go much further into my own "resume" than I initially wanted or anticipated; but if it will satisfy your curiosity, so be
Two of these children were actually relatives.
I was initially called as a witness (being a teen myself at the start).
In the latter part of my own investigation, I was both an observer and a psychology intern working with the police as charges were filed against two
psychologists and a social worker.
The idea is that a trial would be too much for most to cope with so they are advised to concentrate on 'healing' and "forgetting", yet
another form of coverup.
There is some truth to the fact that most children find the trial process to be very, very difficult. But where are you jumping from "no trial"
to "nobody is punished"? More often than not, when proof of abuse is obtained (and this happens with more regularity than you're apparently
aware), the offender is convicted and sentenced. Sometimes this involves a plea agreement, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes the child will
testify via videotape (more and more common these days), and - honestly - the days of dragging a five year old into court to face the accused have
been over for the most part, for quite some time.
Once again, I'm going to respectfully request that you seperate a couple of issues.
The first is actual sexual abuse. This happens. We know this happens. And we also know that sometimes, kids do tell lies
motivation can vary from trying to please an adult investigator, to actually trying to cause harm/revenge against someone in particular. If you
don't think this has ever happened, then I can't really answer any further - you'd be denying such an obvious truth that I wouldn't honestly know
where to go from thereon.
The second is that the existence of sexual abuse is not dependent upon the belief in SRA.
Do you understand that it's the latter that you have simply not been able to prove exists?
Please understand when I say this:
Nobody is disputing the abuse.
But the questions of whether the allegations of Satanism and/or other Occult/Masonic/whatever are actually fact-based, or have been suggested by third
parties, have remained unanswered by you, or anyone else on the thread.
I'm sure you'll agree to this very simple truth:
Children are suggestive.
Children sometimes lie.
And once more I'll ask, have you looked seriously into the ideas surrounding false memories?