Wanna win?

Y'all wanna win this war on terror? Heres how to do it:

1) Increase troop strength to 500,000 soldiers...even if it means stripping them from Japan, South Korea and Germany. Go on a 1 year offensive that will knock these Terrorists and kidnappers into the afterlife.

2) Start using heavier firepower and quit worrying about "world opinion" The cut-throats we're fighting only understand superior firepower....why do we force our soldiers to fight them on their terms?

3) Kill all prisoners that are caught red-handed with bomb making materials or are caught shooting at coalition forces....Kill them on the spot and be done with it. That also goes for the Garbage at Guantanamo Bay.

4) Start making Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria pay a "toll" for allowing these terrorists into Iraq. Heres how it works.....if a theres ANY terror attack ANYWHERE in the world that involves Islam ....than US B-2 Bombers should hit Irans #1 oil pipeline...sink that shiney new Frigate sitting in their harbor....hit that nuclear plant in Iran...blow that Iranian refinery up.......assasinate Royal Saudi family members that are proven to finance terrorism.......Hit the Syrian security forces buildings.....etc etc etc. You see, only when it starts getting expensive and dangerous for the Terror sponsers will they start changing....until than they will continue to finance and support terror.

5) Lock up all the ACLU leadership and have a Grand Jury investigate where their getting their money from. Lock up or DEPORT ANYONE who openly supports the Islamic terrorists until this war is over with. Lock up any newspaper or TV reporter that reports a story that can cause harm to our soldiers in the field (Grab-an-Arab prison scandal and the Koran in the toilet scandal from newsweek etc etc).

Let me finnish with this remark....to win a war you have to be more violent than the people your fighting. In WW II, we gave the Japanese so much violence...they finally gave up. They had their fill of it! ....the Nazis gave up after almost ALL their cities were destroyed and their armies wiped out.

Unless these measure are taken....we may as well bring our boys back home and pull the blankie over our heads.

Maximu§

Sounds like you want to fight a conventional war against an unconventional opponent. In a traditional war America is the best...nobody can carpet bomb like the U.S. In an unconventional fight any country is going to have problems. Plus we are trying to help the civilians in Iraq not kill them. Not knowing if the person walking down the street is a terrorist or civilian complicates things.

And that would be smart piss off every country in the Middle east so we can fight an unconventional 4 front war.

I miss the cold war. At least you knew who the bad guy was.

Originally posted by LA_Maximus
Y'all wanna win this war on terror? Heres how to do it:

Let's turn to your considerable expertise in geopolitics

1) Increase troop strength to 500,000 soldiers...even if it means stripping them from Japan, South Korea and Germany. Go on a 1 year offensive that will knock these Terrorists and kidnappers into the afterlife.

They will go on a 1 year unpaid leave and lay low. Then we'll have to withdraw (or maybe North Korea will turn some nasty trick).

2) Start using heavier firepower and quit worrying about "world opinion" The cut-throats we're fighting only understand superior firepower....why do we force our soldiers to fight them on their terms?

What firepower? Fire howtizers in Baghdad? Using tactical nukes in Fallujah? From what I have seen, we don't hesitate to use bombs in the cities already, what else do you want. I guess your solution is to kill every Iraqi and have a giant vacant lot left to oversee. That's a real testament to your significant intellectual power.

3) Kill all prisoners that are caught red-handed with bomb making materials or are caught shooting at coalition forces....Kill them on the spot and be done with it.

Sure, and lose the leads to the organization that recruited and trained them, and paid them. Brilliant!

4) Start making Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria pay a "toll" for allowing these terrorists into Iraq. Heres how it works.....if a theres ANY terror attack ANYWHERE in the world that involves Islam ....than US B-2 Bombers should hit Irans #1 oil pipeline...

Your willful ignorance of politics in the region is a show to behold. The Iran leadership is happy with their Iraqi Shiite counterpart (installed with the US help), and they just had a massive summit meeting where a lot of deals were signed. Iran has a keen interest to preserve the newly achieved Shiite rule in Iraq. Their wildest dreams came true thank to our tax money. They do not have any interest in overthrowing the Iraqi govt. What Rumsfeld says just shows how willing he is to lie to us.

And by the way, if we were to follow your retarded proposal about the "toll" I'm sure that MOSSAD would arrange for a few terrorist acts so we bomb the hell out of Iran and happily continue to be their proxy Army.

And... the current administration is totally in bed with the Saudis... Face it dude.

....until than they will continue to finance and support terror.

How about we get an alternative energy source so we don't have to finance the Middle East? Oops, Bush won't allow that.

Let me finnish with this remark....to win a war you have to be more violent than the people your fighting. In WW II, we gave the Japanese so much violence...they finally gave up.

You are quite incapable to discern the difference between a war on a nation state and a conflict with extremist ideology, which obviously has no fixed place of abode.

I want to add:


#1 The borders MUST be locked down 100%. Nobody in, nobody out. Use as many troops as nessecary to do it. Its not an option if winning is the goal


#2 Dump a couple of hundred thousand troops into Baghdad and lock the place down tighter than my wifes.....er...just lock it down. 100% gun ban, no automobiles allowed near key municipal and public location, etc. Impose a 9 pm curfew, shoot to kill . Get all infrastructure up and running 100% under absolute iron rule. Get the ISF up to strength ASAP while the city is under complete control. You cannot win in Iraq unless Baghdad is in order

#3 Rinse and repeat until most large cities are completely rebuilt and under ISF control

#4 Get the troops out of there. We need to prepare them for Iran after all...

Originally posted by skippytjc
I want to add:
#1 The borders MUST be locked down 100%. Nobody in, nobody out. Use as many troops as nessecary to do it.

Are you freaking serious? We can't secure the frigging Mexico border for Chrissakes! You want to secure the hostile desert half the world away from here? OMG.

This Iraqi BS needs to be ended. Had we spent all the money on alternative fuel, there would be no Middle Eastern problem at all.

I have an alternative solution to the war on terror. This is not a joke.

Flood terrorits areas with TVs and satalitte dishes. Program lots of porn, cartoons and pro western propaganda.

Make sure everyone has plenty of designer basket ball shoes, T-shirts and other decadent western trappings. Don't forget the beer!!

These two things will bring down Islam the same way it has most Christian nations.

What would you rather do; fight a Jihad, or cop a buzz and watch the tube?

This also could be the reason the military recrutement numbers are down.

Just a thought

Originally posted by Aelita

Are you freaking serious? We can't secure the frigging Mexico border for Chrissakes! You want to secure the hostile desert half the world away from here? OMG.

This Iraqi BS needs to be ended. Had we spent all the money on alternative fuel, there would be no Middle Eastern problem at all.

I dont dissagree with anything you said. But REALITY is that we are there and soldiers are dying. If we pack up before Iraq is even remotly stable then every soldier that has died has died for nothing. Get it done, and get out.

And we need:

Dogs with bees in their mouths, and when they bark they shoot bees at you!

Originally posted by skippytjc
But REALITY is that we are there and soldiers are dying. If we pack up before Iraq is even remotly stable then every soldier that has died has died for nothing. Get it done, and get out.

I quote, "Dump a couple of hundred thousand troops into Baghdad".

Where do you think the coalition can come up with those troop numbers?
Not to mention the support unit's.

Sanc'.

Hey LA, you forgot one Point:

6) N U K E ' E M ! ! !

Originally posted by LA_Maximus
4) Start making Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria pay a "toll" for allowing these terrorists into Iraq. Heres how it works.....if a theres ANY terror attack ANYWHERE in the world that involves Islam ....than US B-2 Bombers should hit Irans #1 oil pipeline...sink that shiney new Frigate sitting in their harbor....hit that nuclear plant in Iran...blow that Iranian refinery up.......assasinate Royal Saudi family members that are proven to finance terrorism.......Hit the Syrian security forces buildings.....etc etc etc. You see, only when it starts getting expensive and dangerous for the Terror sponsers will they start changing....until than they will continue to finance and support terror.

How about we turn that around and see what you think of this.
For every bomb the US drops on a Muslim country, Iran, Syria or Saudi Arabia will blow up a US oil refinery, a US oil tanker or even just a gas station or two somewhere in the US.

5) Lock up all the ACLU leadership and have a Grand Jury investigate where their getting their money from. Lock up or DEPORT ANYONE who openly supports the Islamic terrorists until this war is over with. Lock up any newspaper or TV reporter that reports a story that can cause harm to our soldiers in the field (Grab-an-Arab prison scandal and the Koran in the toilet scandal from newsweek etc etc).

So you want a dictatorship with no freedom of the press?
Isn't freedom of the press one of the things that people point to as to why the US is a great country?


[edit on 12-8-2005 by AceOfBase]

Originally posted by skippytjc
#1 The borders MUST be locked down 100%. Nobody in, nobody out. Use as many troops as nessecary to do it. Its not an option if winning is the goal

I couldn’t agree more.

Originally posted by Aelita
Are you freaking serious? We can't secure the frigging Mexico border for Chrissakes! You want to secure the hostile desert half the world away from here? OMG.

There is a difference between ‘can’t’ and ‘won’t’


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LA bud, I love Ya !!

The only problem I see with your plan is taking down organizations like the ACLU.

Taking out the ACLU would really damage our freedoms more than the Terrorists have.

We here in the States must have the right to Freedom of Speech, even though organizations like the ACLU take things to the egde of the constitution where the founding fathers never intended freedoms of speech to go.

We must still have an open opportunity to discuss any topic at anytime freely and without fear of prosecution.

I do not agree with the ACLU, but they still have the right to be heard.

On you other points on winning the war, God Bless You on having the noids to tell it like it is, and how this war should be fought.

I am just afraid that it will take the lives of many Americans civilians before justice can be served worldwide.

Originally posted by LA_Maximus

Unless these measure are taken....we may as well bring our boys back home and pull the blankie over our heads.

Maximu§

What a thoroughly good idea. . . . .

Just thought I would add a comment here.

It seems some people have forgotten the lessons of history.

In America's most pointless and savage war "Vietnam" US forces through everything at the Viet Cong (a massively out gunned opponent), including chemical weapons. With this tactic of total aggression what was the result?

Complete failure and the needless loss of many lives.

I am not sure what the answer is to the Iraqi problem but maybe American forces should look at how the British are coping in the south of the country. Where there appears to be less "insurgent" activity (I may be wrong). The British army after all has been engaged in this type of combat for many years in Northern Ireland.

Originally posted by curme
And we need:

Dogs with bees in their mouths, and when they bark they shoot bees at you!

No comment on this thread has gone further to illuminate the ridiculousness of the starting post better then this one here. I'm a sucker for a good simpsons reference.

Its sad how quickly the ignorant give in to the siren call of fascism during times of struggle.

This thread highlights the fact that this world is not ready for peace and to move onto the next stage of enlightenment as a species.

This thread highligts the fact that many are ready to stoop to all new lows in their percieved threat of terror

This thread highlights the fact that everybody still sticks their noses in where it is not wanted or required

This thread highlights the sad state of humanity

this is just a sad thread

Lets not forget the amount it would cost to deploy that many troops, feed them, clean water etc.

Also lets not forget the opnion of the american people, the polls show that the majority of americans do not favor bush's handling.

Exactly where are we going to get 500,000 troops?? many of those soldiers have spent 1, 2 and 3 tours of duty their.

I also dont understand how were going to rebuild Iraq if we use heavier bombs.

You have voted LA_Maximus for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

I need say nothing as im sure everyone knows i agree with everything you just said.

You fascists never win. Haven't you noticed that?