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Karl Rove? Val Plame? Hello, is this thing on?

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posted on Aug, 12 2005 @ 08:00 AM
Fitzgerald recently called White House aide Karl Rove's secretary and his former top aide to testify before the grand jury. They were asked why there was no record of a phone call from Time reporter Matt Cooper, with whom Rove discussed the CIA agent, says a source close to Rove who requested anonymity because the FBI asked participants not to comment.

This passage comes at the end of Mike Isikoff's piece on who will have authority over the Fitzgerald investigation now that Deputy Attorney General James Comey has left for the private sector.

Robert McCallum goes back with Bush, graduating class of Yale 1968 and Skull & Bones butt buddy.....he's going to be Fitgerald's "Manager".

Does anyone think that a stifle is in play? Why is the investigation going on years, insted of months or weeks? Compliance from the White House was sworn to & repeatedly promised; until they actually got a Republican who thought of the country before the Reich, as Fitzgerald has exhibited to date.
What's your gut feel?

posted on Aug, 12 2005 @ 09:39 AM

Originally posted by Bout Time
Fitzgerald recently called White House aide Karl Rove's secretary and his former top aide to testify before the grand jury. They were asked why there was no record of a phone call from Time reporter Matt Cooper, with whom Rove discussed the CIA agent, says a source close to Rove who requested anonymity because the FBI asked participants not to comment.

The revelations emanated from sources close to the grand jury who spoke with federal whistleblower Thomas Heneghen in California who said White House Senior Advisor to the President Karl Rove was also indicted for perjury and was reportedly involved with Mary Matalin in a major Bush administration document shredding operation to cover-up evidence.
Tom Flocco Source

I think most people don’t think any of this is true, there line being it’s not in the news so it’s bull****. I have been following this story and this is some of the articles I have come across. Sadly there is no mainstream media.
I think it is being kept out of the media by the power players

by Tom Flocco

A Chicago grand jury has indicted the President and Vice-President of the United States along with multiple high officials in the Bush administration

Chicago -- August 2, 2005 -- -- U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's Chicago grand jury has issued perjury and obstruction of justice indictments to the following members of the Bush Administration: President George W. Bush, Vice-President Richard Cheney, Bush Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and former Senior Cheney advisor Mary Matalin.

There were no indications given as to whether the President and his top staff members would appear publicly before cameras at the grand jury proceedings, given the gravity of the charges.
Tom Flocco Source

Although the U.S. Attorney’s office in Chicago is staying silent, it is well known that Fitzgerald is digging deep into an assortment of serious improprieties among many Bush administration figures based, in part, on subpoenaed testimony provided by former Secretary of State Colin Powell.

Bush & Co. Facing Prosecution
By Sherman H. Skolnick
12. One or more of the grand juries have concluded their probe and have voted True Bills, Federal Criminal indictments, against George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, "Scooter" Libby, Condoleeza Rice, and Theodore B. Olson; and several media people not previously mentioned in the monopoly press as implicated. Shown as unindicted co-conspirators are two Judges on the U.S. Supreme Court, William Rehnquist and Antonin Scalia, who are among the Gang of Five also in Bush versus Gore.
Because of the horrendous consequences involved, the Indictments are suppressed and there may be an extended delay until they appear on the Chicago Federal Court open records.

Chicago Grand Jury Fingers President Bush & Vice-President Cheney
Cloak and Dagger RADIO-NEWS Bulletin 1:53 EDT August 2ND

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Sunday morning on line editions of Newsweek and Time are reporting that the President is planning to fire Chicago's U.S. Federal Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and replace him with a Bush classmate/Skull and Bonesman from Yale.

Following on the heels of these reports, we have learned from U.S. intelligence sources that federal agents are prepared to immediately arrest Mr. Bush if he fires Fitzgerald and seeks to obstruct justice and commit additional treasonous acts regarding ongoing grand jury proceedings against his administration and himself.

has anyone seen the Newsweek article that was to be in print yet?
From The Raw Story
Newsweek's Michael Isikoff will splash a story in tomorrow's Newsweek which reveals that the boss of CIA leak probe prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is likely to be replaced by a former Bush classmate at Yale.
What's more, Newsweek has found that the new boss is a fellow initiate of the Yale secret society, Skull and Bones. Details will appear on the magazine's website early Sunday and on newsstands Monday.

From Citizen Spook

Is the Fix In (in Plamegate)?

The new boss will also be in a position to overrule any decision by Fitzgerald to issue indictments.

The position we're talking about is Deputy Attorney General, currently held by the widely admired James Comey, who is leaving for private practice.

Fortunately, the Deputy Attorney General position requires Senate approval.

Judith Miller's Dirty Little Secret
Notice how Judith Miller and Karl Rove have miraculously vanished from the headlines. No one wants to dig deeper into this pit – because the snake’s head can only end up devouring the snake’s tail.

In Washington, they all know Judith Miller’s dirty little secret. Miller is a senior neo-con propagandist. If she goes down, she won’t go down alone. She will take the paper of record and Sulzberger with her. Her intimate relationships with Ahmed Chalabi, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, AIPAC, and the American Enterprise Institute are all part of the public record.

Miller coordinated her work with the Office of Special Plans in the Pentagon, an outfit set up by Wolfowitz and Feith and tasked with fixing intelligence to make a case for war. Judith Miller is pleading the fifth to avoid confessing to the prominent role she played in launching weapons of mass deception at the American people.

Also see: From The Truth Seeker

Bush & Co Facing Prosecution?

U.S. Attorney's Office Says 'No Comment,' Refusing To Confirm Or Deny Alleged Indictments

Bush and Cheney Indicted?

Tony Blair's MI-6 Agents Caught Trying To Blow Up Chicago Subway

[edit on 12/8/2005 by Sauron]

posted on Aug, 12 2005 @ 09:45 AM
Ex CIA director George Tenet believed that the executive branch was the sourse of many important
intelligence leaks.
Most leaks come from executive branch, CIA director says


July 22, 1999
Web posted at: 4:27 p.m. EDT (2027 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- CIA Director George Tenet said Thursday a flood of news leaks about sensitive matters are jeopardizing national security -- and 95 percent of the leaks are coming from the executive branch of government.

"The nature of the leaking that's going on in this town is unprecedented. It is compromising sources and methods. It is jeopardizing American security and there are people in our government who think they have some free pass to do this for their own pleasure," said Tenet, who was testifying before the House Intelligence Committee at its first public hearing about the bombing of the Chinese Embassy.

posted on Aug, 12 2005 @ 10:06 AM
Just out of interest, does "fruit from the poisonous tree" apply here?

IOW, would The Government be successful in blocking any/all information that wasn't obtained according to (their?) legal requirements?

posted on Aug, 12 2005 @ 08:15 PM
There are so many forces working to stifle this issue that even if the grand jury indicts the whole Bush cabinet, I doubt anyone will know about it.

Bush has been unabashedly supporting Rove like he is Rafael Palmiero; Ken Mehlman has been spewing his usual lies, err, RNC "talking points" all over the place; the mainstream media wants this to go away because they were caught servicing their government sources rather than the truth; and the general public really doesn't understand what this is all about anyway and would rather hear about hurricanes and space shuttle schmutz.

However, at this point, the fate of Rove, Libby et al is in the hands of the D.C. grand jury that will decide whether or not there is sufficient evidence to proceed with indictments and a trial.

And apparently, this grand jury is mainly outspoken African-American women that ask important questions and are engaged.

So regardless of any new Skull & Bones oversight of Fitzgerald, it really doesn't matter. Besides, he is untouchable because of the way he was appointed as Special Counsel. Outgoing acting D.A. Comey had the sense to request that DOJ CFR Title 28, Part 600, which normally gives the AG the authority over an appointed Special Counsel, be waived. Because of the nature of this case, Fitzgerald was instead delegated plenary power of the Attorney General in this matter.

So that means that the President, the Vice President, and even the new Attorney General can't vote him off the island. Congress--specifically the Appropriations committee--would have to get involved....and that would be "politically unwise". Going after a prosecutor who is doing a great job would be a very transparent move--and if the grand jury has been presented with evidence of a White House leak and cover-up, that certainly would influence them to indict.

Perhaps that is why Bush friend Alberto Gonzales is singing Fitzgerald's praises and Hastert has decided that Congress wants no part of this.

posted on Aug, 12 2005 @ 08:52 PM
Classic disinformation tactic to create shiney objets (Supreme Court Nominee Roberts) fluffy dog tails (troopwithdrawl flip-flops) and fuzzy objects (Bill signing in some out of the way 'meaingful' location) to distract you from what they are really worried about and want to go away.

If anyone thinks there is nothing to this Valerie PLame case and the Bush administration, then why did they lie about roves involvement ?(then flipflop denying the lie) and now the president has to wax poetically how rove is Bush's "Emporer's hand"?

THere is slime to be found in the white house and fitz is going to find it, while Novak loses all credibility and squeals like a little pig that he truely is

posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 02:12 AM

Originally posted by Tinkleflower
Just out of interest, does "fruit from the poisonous tree" apply here?

IOW, would The Government be successful in blocking any/all information that wasn't obtained according to (their?) legal requirements?

Not sure what information you are referring to. However, if it's information dug up by the investigating committee, then the answer is probably no, but it would depend on who they sought to introduce the evidence against. Most Federal employees would have signed disclaimers allowing searches of this type.

-koji K.

posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 12:11 PM
Wow, Clinton gets a BJ and 24/7 media coverage, Bush&Co expose a CIA Agent who was undercover because she wouldn't give head to Bush&Co and nothing. WTF? I thought the media was suppose to be so liberal. It never was but hey republicans are well, republicans. Kind of like fish are fish, not their fault they can't have two thoughts at the same time without them rattling around inside their empty skull.

posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 06:03 PM
Joe Wilson outed his own wife to David Corn; watch Fitzgerald indict him!

(Superfluous line inserted here to avoid scolding and fining from Mods.)

posted on Aug, 14 2005 @ 10:36 PM
Realist, dont use false right wing talking points as facts. If you check July 15th 2005 on David corns blog he proves (quoting his article) that Joe Wilson when questioned refused to say that his wife worked with the CIA. as joe was quoted

I will not answer questions about my wife. This is not about me, and less so about my wife. It has allways been abotu the facts underpinning the Presidents statement in his state of the union speach

It is really now the point of who broke the secrecy barrier, and if Karl Rove had access to the information.

maybe if they took Novak to Abu Garib, or Syria for 'questioning' he might squeel a little more.

[edit on 8/14/2005 by Jehosephat]

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