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Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
I originally asked, even said "PLEASE", for knowledge that links the "New" and "Old" worlds.
13 posts later .....
little new information to link both.
mostly attacks on existing information.
At any rate, reading 40 to 100 books a year for the past 15 years. Forgive me if I forget my sources, authors and book titles.
Does anyone have any pertinent information linking the Americas in any form or fashion to the "old" world?
Or are we going to continue to try to debunk?
13 posts, no new ideas. mostly attacking and belittling. Thanks guys.
Originally posted by Indellkoffer
3) Rosylin Chapel in Scottland had engravings of both corn and aloe cactus on it's walls, when Columbus was only 4 years old. Both corn and the aloe plant were only indiginious to the Americas.
Chapels never had engravings hung on the walls, except perhaps in the vicar's office. They have statues and icons and panels and stained glass windows and carved elements... but no engravings.
Here's a picture of the "corn"... but frankly there's nothing that looks like corn, and certainly not like the kind of corn that the Indians were raising at the time:
www.rosslyntemplars.org.uk...
But when the Knights Templar was destroyed in the 14th century, their incredible riches vanished into thin air. To escape persecution by King Philip of France, the Templars’ treasure — and their enormous fleet moored at La Rochelle — simply disappeared. To this day, its whereabouts has never been discovered.
History books also describe how the Templars were in possession of a mysterious "great secret". Some historians have suggested this merely related to their connection with the grail. But more recent accounts have painted a different picture. This "great secret" may have been a particular knowledge which, if revealed, would undermine our fundamental view of Christianity itself.
There was a strong Templar connection with this area of Scotland from the time when Hugues de Payen married Catherine de St Clair. In fact the first Templar perceptory outside the Holy Land was built on St Clair land at a site to the south of Edinburgh now known as Temple. By the beginning of the fourteenth century the Templars had many estates in Scotland and a great deal of affection and respect from the people.
The Templars reportedly provided assistance to William Wallace. There was a battle between the Scots and the English at Roslin in 1303 which was won with the support of Templar knights, led by a St Clair.
Part of the Templar fleet made the decision to head to Argyll and the Firth of Forth, where they knew Robert the Bruce was engaged in a rebellion against England. The fact that Robert the Bruce was excommunicated combined with the long St Clair family links with Rosslyn was the greatest attraction of Scotland as a sanctuary - it was one of the few places on the planet where the Pope could not get at them. Because of the war with the English the Templars also knew that as skilled warriors, they would be received with open arms.
Josephus, the historian of the Jews in the first century, observed that the Essenes believed that good souls have their inhabitation beyond the ocean, in a region that is neither oppressed with storms of rain or snow nor with intense heat, but refreshed by the gentle breathing of the west wind which perpetually blows from the ocean. This idyllic land across the sea to the west (or sometimes the north), is a belief common to many cultures, from the Jews to the Greeks to the Celts. The Mandeans, however, believe that the inhabitants of this far land are so pure that mortal eyes will not see them and that this place is marked by a star, the name of which is 'Merica'.
When the monk published the information in Introduction to Cosmography it quickly became part of popular folklore.
If you look at a map of the road network of France, which the Templars had built and policed, it is very noticeable that all the great long-distance routes meet at one point - at La Rochelle, on the Atlantic coast. The harbour of La Rochelle lies in a natural bay, is easyto defend, and it was laid out and developed by the Templars very early in their history. Furthermore, the Order owned a huge fleet, and other seaports in the north, for links with England, and in the south, as a starting-point for voyages to the Holy Land and the Mediterranean islands. La Rochelle, however, is far too far north to serve as a viable port of embarkation for Palestine, and the same applies to voyages to England. For this purpose, it was far too far south. There were other ports from which one could cross to Britain far more quickly and simply.
For this reason, La Rochelle must have had some very special significance. The town was not merely the seat of a simple Commanderie, but also the capital of a Templar Province. Its population grew quickly over the years. In which direction did the Temple's shipping lines lead, if it was neither to the north nor to the south? There can only be one possible explanation for the position of this seaport - the Order's ships set course from it due west, to America.
After Napoleon conquered Rome in 1809, some files were brought back to Paris from the secret archives of the Vatican. Among these were a few documents relating to the Templar trials. In one of these records was the statement of Jean de Chalons, a member of the Order from Nemours in the diocese of Troyes.
The Zeno Narrative tells of a mysterious ocean voyage west one hundred years later by a Templar descendent, Henry Sinclair, Earl of Orkney. Indian legends and a number of clues suggest that the landfall was Nova Scotia
THE TEMPLARS IN AMERICA: From the Crusades to the New World
By: Tim Wallace-Murphy and Marilyn Hopkins
In fascinating detail, this book tells the story of how two leading European families, steeped in Templar tradition and spirituality, combined forces in an attempt to create a new commonwealth in America far behond the repressive reach of the Church and the long arm of the Inquisition. Nearly a century before the voyages of Columbus, Henry St. Clair - Earl of Orkney and Lord of Roslin - placed his fleet under the command of two sons of therenowned Zeno family of Venice and in 1396 sailed with them through the North Atlantic to America. Once there, they explored the Northeast coast of North America and interacted peacefully with the Mi'kmaq people of present-day Canada. Proof of their travels is carved in stone on both sides of the Atlantic and can be found in documentary evidence borne out by a strong oral tradition that has withstood the test of time.
Templar scholars Tim Wallace-Murphy and Marilyn Hopkins present the compelling history of the Templars and Rex Deus families beginning with the lordly line of the High St. Claires of Scotland. Most remarkable is how they trace the legacy of the Templar voyages through the formation of the fraternity of Freemasonry to the American founding fathers and the drafting of the United States Constitution. In doing so they reveal the facts behind best-selling novels on the subject and prove yet again that truth is stranger than fixtion.
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
I'm certain there are links and interesting similarities between the "old" world and the "New" World. I am aware of the following, through reading MANY books about ancient beliefs and historical facts over the last 15 years.
Please share your similarities, facts, truths, or rumor, or interpretation.
Thanks, and looking forward to your input.
I originally asked, even said "PLEASE", for knowledge that links the "New" and "Old" worlds.
13 posts later .....
little new information to link both.
mostly attacks on existing information.
At any rate, reading 40 to 100 books a year for the past 15 years. Forgive me if I forget my sources, authors and book titles.
Does anyone have any pertinent information linking the Americas in any form or fashion to the "old" world?
Or are we going to continue to try to debunk?
13 posts, no new ideas. mostly attacking and belittling. Thanks guys.