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IS Jesus God or the Son of God???

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posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
The truth is left up to interpretation of what you believe happened over 2,000 years ago. History can be distorted, but the truth can not. no worries.


History is our only way of ascertaining truth about the past. Since you correctly note that history can be distorted, any conclusion we draw about the past must be held contingently.




posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by spamandham

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
The truth is left up to interpretation of what you believe happened over 2,000 years ago. History can be distorted, but the truth can not. no worries.


History is our only way of ascertaining truth about the past. Since you correctly note that history can be distorted, any conclusion we draw about the past must be held contingently.


History has been recorded by those who maintained power, and those who have conquered, for the most part.

over 7,000 years of recorded/written history has yet to show us 7 consecutive days without war, killing, and destruction, absent the world over.

In other words, humanity has not gone 1 week without war.
humanity has not gone 1 week without killing.
humanity has not gone 1 week without destruction.
humanity is who has recorded history.
humanity dominates humanity with fear and hate.

How can that which is born of fear and hate use fear and hate to conquer and destroy fear and hate?

over 7,000 years of history of fear and hate, and the same endless path ....

An individual can only hate someone if they are afraid of it being the cause of them loosing something which they love.

In other words:
We only fear that which has the potential to take what we love away from us.
We only hate that which has the potential to take what we love away from us.

What is the opposite of love?
Hate?
Or Fear?

Fear is the covert response.
Hate is the overt response.

When you are taught to fear GOD, you are taught to feel emotions that are the opposite of love towards GOD.

The truth is (in my eyes): messages have been delivered.
Messages have been interpreted by many.
Messages have many interpretations by many.
Messages have been passed down by who? People owned by fear and hate, or love and truth?

If history was truthful:
There would be no secret documents.
Are there secret documents?
Yes.
Then history is not truthful.
And those who rule must be ruled within there minds by fear and hate, or there would be no secret documents, anywhere, throughout the entire globe.

Is Jesus God or the Son of God?

Interpretations within the bible even contradict eachother.



posted on Aug, 23 2005 @ 05:16 PM
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This a word from Psalms from psalms 45:6 It is GOD speaking to jesus... Your throne, O GOD, Will last forever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepterof your kindom. You loved righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore GOD, your GOD' has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.



posted on Aug, 23 2005 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by prophetseeker
This a word from Psalms from psalms 45:6 It is GOD speaking to jesus...


That may answer the question of this post ....

If Jesus is God, then God talks to himself. When God talks to himself, I wonder who answers?



posted on Aug, 23 2005 @ 10:51 PM
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I have tryed to make that point clear, I dout God talks to him self, by praying to him self. Jesus was praying to his God.



posted on Aug, 24 2005 @ 12:29 AM
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Jesus Christ ......also refered to as the ''LOGOS'' or WORD......which the WORD was in the beginning.....and so was the SPIRIT or the ''breath'' of God ..which He breathed into the first created MAN who is ADAM......


God was also in the beginning.....as a BODILESS SPIRIT with His WORD (LOGOS)
God took FLESH and became MAN or the Son of God.....He became MAN because MAN changed NATURE.....Since God created all good from the beginning.
It was MAN, the First created man ADAM that did not stick to Gods first commandment...DO NOT EAT, YOU WILL SURELY DIE......death came to the world because of the breaking of that one commandement.....

As God.....He had to transform HIMSELF into one of US......He took upon Himself HUMAN NATURE or Human FORM......so that the CURSE would be broken and WE would AGAIN be able to be as GOD intended US to be ....IMMORTAL, like the Angels only HIGHER because WE WERE CREATED ''HIGHER '' then the Angels.....In the IMAGE we were created BUT when God gave us HIS BREATH(tHE hOLY SPIRIT) WE became HIGHER THEN THE ANGELS......
the WORD OF GOD(who is JESUS CHRIST ) WAS ALSO PRESENT AT THE BEGINNING OF CREATION...
all those 3 are one ......One GOD ....
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God who is both three and one—Triune—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, "one in essence and undivided." The Holy Trinity is three "unconfused" distinct divine persons (hypostases), with no overlap or modality among them, who share one divine essence (ousia)—uncreated, immaterial and eternal.

The Father is the eternal source of the Godhead, from Whom is begotten the Son eternally and also from Whom the Holy Spirit proceeds eternally.
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When Jesus Christ prays He prays to the FATHER...Godhead of Heaven ....Jesus Christ who also is God ....BUT in His human nature also prays to the FATHER .....He asa man and God ......both God....but one in essence.

"Through the Son we have access to the Father in one Spirit" (Ephesians 2:18).

"And whatsoever ye shall ask in My name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son." (St. John, 14, 13).

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Creation was an act which involved all three Persons of the Holy Trinity: ‘By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and all their host by the breath of His mouth’ (Ps.33:6).
At the beginning of his Gospel St John speaks of the creative role of God the Word: ‘All things were made through Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made’ (John 1:3).
The Bible also has this to say about the Spirit: ‘The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters’ (Gen.1:2).

‘No one has ever seen God; the only Son, Who is in the bosom of the Father, He has made him known’ (John 1:18). The Son has made known the Father to all creatures; it is because of the Son that the love of the Father has been poured out upon creation and has given it life.

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helen

[edit on 8/24/2005 by helen670]



posted on Aug, 24 2005 @ 01:15 AM
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In the begining was the word, and the word was WITH god. Thats with God not, god . with God.







 
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