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Jesus and all over the new testment says he is the SON OF GOD (meaning Off spring of God) HOw do you believers answer this??????
The Bible has one story. It is the record of God’s making Himself known to man and of man’s response to God’s self-disclosure.
The Old Testament is the story of a Covenant people in a community of faith, ancient Israel, journeying toward a new and better place in time, sometimes obedient and sometimes disobedient to God, Who was always striving to break through to show Himself in completeness.
He spoke through His prophets, through saints, seers, and rulers, and through the events of history until the time had “Fully come when everything in heaven and earth should be unified in Christ,” (Eph. 1:10) as Paul put it, “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,” (John 1:14) as John put it. God spoke the living Word in terms humanity could understand, “The way, the truth, the life” in a Person.
The New Testament continues the theme with the people of the New Covenant, the new Israel of God, the Body of Christ, the Church of witnessing people journeying through history.
Here is the Book of man in his pilgrimage through time and beyond time, learning to know God, to discern His will and do it, living in a community of faith, ever witnessing to the coming Kingdom,
the law of which is love,
and the Ruler of which will be the transcendent God at the final consummation of history.
But the major theme of the Holy Scripture is the salvation of humanity by the Messiah, the incarnate Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ. The Old Testament proclaims salvation in the forms of symbols and prophesies about the Messiah and the Kingdom of Heaven.
The New Testament enunciates the actual realization of our salvation through the incarnation, life and teachings of the God-Man, sealed through His death and Resurrection.
Depending upon the times they were written, the Holy Writings are grouped into the New and Old Testaments.
The first contain that which the Lord revealed to the world through God-inspired prophets before Christ’s appearance on Earth, while the second group describes that which was taught by our Lord Savior Himself and his Apostles.
The Bible is the book of the Church. We therefore read Holy Scripture, not as isolated individuals, but as members of the Church. In order to keep Holy Scripture in the mind of the Church, we observe how Scripture is used in worship, and how it is interpreted by the Holy Fathers. Our approach then to the Bible is both Liturgical and Patristic.
Always we seek for the point of convergence between the Old Testament and the New, and this we find in Jesus Christ. Orthodoxy assigns particular significance to the "typological" method of interpretation, whereby "types" of Christ, signs and symbols of His work, are discerned throughout the Old Testament. A notable example of this is Melchizedek, the priest-king of Salem, who offered bread and wine to Abraham (Genesis 14:18), and who is seen as a type of Christ not only by the Fathers but even in the New Testament itself (Hebrews 5:6; 7:l)
Originally posted by Machine
This is why God can and does exist in three separate forms but that each of these forms are one.
I do believe that God is One with his children and mostly Jesus. But God did say Thuo salt only worship ONE GOD. Dont we brake that commandment by worshiping three????
And if Jesus was God then i say again, why does he pray to god(not himself) Brother, he prays gets down on his own knees and prays to God. If he was god why would he pray to himself?????? He prays more than once to God. Why than would he do that if he was God????
Originally posted by helen670
When God took flesh and became man(for the sins of the world)He also was perfect man and perfect God......In order to teach us how to be in this world, He used prayer,fasting and Verses from the Old Testament to prove who He was.....and those that were humble and willing to truly listen, understood who Jesus Christ truly was...He had to pray like this to give us an example of how we should also be.....
For those that thought otherwise and did not truly listen to Jesus Christ, had their own ideas of who the Messiah would be .....
Sorry But i still see a man praying to his father. What your saying is God got down on his knees to pray to himself, to show everone els what they should do. Some how i dont believe in this. ( THUO SALT WORSHIP ONE GOD) In this belief you are worshiping too. A brake of the commandment. second When Jesus died on the cross he said( God why does THUO forsaken ME. Why does the God in heaven forsaken Jesus on Earth????
Plus i say again
MOst imporant if you read revelations Chapter 4 v2-3 & and read chapter 5 v1 then read v 6-7 What happens is this John go's to heaven in spirit and see's god siting in the throne between 24 elders holding the Scroll Of Seven Seals in his right hand. Jesus comes and takes that scroll right out of God's right hand. showing Two different bodies.
Read revelation in these scriptures Jesus comes and takes the scroll out of God's right hand?????
How do you answer this
So, most references to Jesus being God are from the Gospel of John.
Oh and I am talking about CLEAR references to Jesus being God, stuff like "I am GOD", and not vague interpretations of something that might be interpreted as such.
I've read in more than one source that the council of Nicea took the democratic approach. All the Bishops under the iniciative of Constantine took a vote.
MOst imporant if you read revelations Chapter 4 v2-3 & and read chapter 5 v1 then read v 6-7 What happens is this John go's to heaven in spirit and see's god siting in the throne between 24 elders holding the Scroll Of Seven Seals in his right hand. Jesus comes and takes that scroll right out of God's right hand. showing Two different bodies.
Yes!
Originally posted by Machine
The problem we as human beings often have when we consider this is that we have a very limited perspective of time and space.
Another yes!
It turns out that the spots were not lying when they claimed that they were three yet one.
No doubt!
This may help to give you a glimpse of God's greatness and help you to understand that which our limited Human minds cannot conceive.
Mine too! I think it is an unlimited supply--as much 'brain food' as one might want--or maybe I should say living water and manna from heaven!
Many topics are talked about but the science of God is one of my favorites!
Originally posted by helen670
Esoteric/
I've read in more than one source that the council of Nicea took the democratic approach. All the Bishops under the iniciative of Constantine took a vote.
See Figures 5 and 6 of Saints Ignatius, Clement, Polycarp and Irenaeus, the immediate successors of the apostles. They confirm that the books of the New Testament were written by Christ’s disciples and were thus accepted by the early Church as valid from the outset. They also point to the unbroken continuity of the Orthodox Church from the time of the Apostles to the present.
Figures 5 and 6
Originally posted by slymattb
How does a believer that Jesus is God answer this?????
Originally posted by dancer
Mat 15:34 Proves that Christ IS NOT G-d.
If he was He could not forsake himself, and if he could forsake himself he wouldn't ask why he was being forsaken.
[edit on 8/13/2005 by dancer]
Originally posted by slymattb
But now lets look at The fact that some cant believe in something we cant see. Why cant they.
example One way to look at this, is the fact that the devil stops people from see. The Devil blinds people.
Originally posted by slymattb
Example 2 some people canot believe in something like God with out proof, evidents.
Originally posted by slymattb
spam Your right.