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Small Gold Flat Chips Extracted From Throat - Need Help

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posted on Aug, 14 2005 @ 04:55 PM
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I have no time to write tonight, but am quickly reading the thread; will write tomorrow.


Nice explanation if it is somehow terrestrial Hal9000. I'll write more tomorrow.





posted on Aug, 14 2005 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by QuietSoul
I'm just informing you all that A.J. Gevaerd has replied to my email and has stated that he is indeed in contact with Jessica.

I learned an important humbing lesson here.. Investigate, wait for results, and then question..

I sent Jessica a u2u of apology and I'll be humbly sitting in the corner with my dunce hat on if you need me.

K thx... bye.





takes a big person to apologize. well done my friend.

angie



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by Hal9000
After looking at those latest pictures, which were much better than the previous ones, I will agree, that it isn't an electronic component. It looks to me IMHO that it is a metal fragment. On one side there are grooves and the bottom side is flat, but not perfectly flat. In fact it looks like a piece of rolled metal that was sheared.

Rolled metal is a process that metal is formed in long segments with wheels forming grooves from a flat piece of metal. Flat rolled metal can be shaped into right angle corners and even shaped round to make pipe. This looks like it came from a very thin flat bar with grooves. I've seen aluminum formed this way and then gold anodize added to make it a brass color.

Once the long bars are made, they can be cut easily with a shear. This is a cheaper way of cutting metal than with a saw blade. But when metal is sheared some deformation occurs, which shows up on the bottom of the piece as a slight rounding near the edge where the cut was made on the shorter side of the fragment.

Another tell tale sign is the slight crack near the middle of the chip on the bottom side. It is parallel to the edge cut with a shear.

If I am correct and it is a small fragment of rolled metal cut off with a shear and could be a crude piece of scrap from a metal manufacturing process. One thing you can look for that I can't see in the photo, is a different color metal on the cross section. This will tell you if it is plated metal.

One test I would try after taking micro photos would be to try to file one end. This will be difficult being such a small piece, but you can buy jeweler’s files for working with small pieces of metal. I would bet that you will find it is plated metal. Just a hunch.

This is just another guess, and I have no explanation how it could have gotten into her body. It also doesn't explain a reoccurrence of the same fragment.

Did she say that she found more than one at a time? Or is it always only one piece at a time that comes out?




Okay this is a lot of info (good analysis might I add) and it's late. So I'll try my best to keep up with you here. I agree with you on all of this. It all makes sense and yes I did see that strange looking wall at the end of the piece that looks like it was cut with metal shears or punched out of a machine or something. That will be determined in a lab with Gevaerd's contact. I know I sure didn't cut it. Okay, I tried the magnet thing and there was 0 attraction. I can even make a small movie of it to show you. Don't know how I would show that online, but if anyone has any suggestions let me know and I can do it.

And yes, she has told me that she has had spells of extracting these. For instance she explained that one time she extracted one on one day, then in the next couple days coughed a couple more (something to that effect), then didn't expell another for a couple of years or so. Her sister the same.

I can file this baby right now if no one objects??



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by amb1063

Originally posted by QuietSoul
I'm just informing you all that A.J. Gevaerd has replied to my email and has stated that he is indeed in contact with Jessica.

I learned an important humbing lesson here.. Investigate, wait for results, and then question..

I sent Jessica a u2u of apology and I'll be humbly sitting in the corner with my dunce hat on if you need me.

K thx... bye.





takes a big person to apologize. well done my friend.

angie


Totally. Thanks QS.



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 01:44 AM
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Okay this is a lot of info (good analysis might I add) and it's late. So I'll try my best to keep up with you here. I agree with you on all of this. It all makes sense and yes I did see that strange looking wall at the end of the piece that looks like it was cut with metal shears or punched out of a machine or something. That will be determined in a lab with Gevaerd's contact. I know I sure didn't cut it. Okay, I tried the magnet thing and there was 0 attraction. I can even make a small movie of it to show you. Don't know how I would show that online, but if anyone has any suggestions let me know and I can do it.

And yes, she has told me that she has had spells of extracting these. For instance she explained that one time she extracted one on one day, then in the next couple days coughed a couple more (something to that effect), then didn't expell another for a couple of years or so. Her sister the same.

I can file this baby right now if no one objects??


The only thing I can fathom here is the food supply. Is there a metal shop/factory near where she lives? Is there a type of food supply near this factory? (Agriculture, ect)

I mean, she could be eating food that is contaminated with scrap metal? Then again, if I was chowing down on some food, I'm sure I'd notice a small (but big) chunk of metal in my mouth. I seriously doubt her teeth could/would avoid such an object repeatedly though.. I've chipped teeth on tiny bones in meat products.. a piece of metal would be hard to miss..

Just tossing out ideas..

I say file it, gently and if you notice any discoloration (silver instead of gold) then stop of course.. if you don't, dont file it too much..

Also, have you attempted to look at this object with a microscope? The use of a microscope would tell you right away if it's a microchip or not. Most chips have microscopic leads (tiny lines where electricity travel), and are quite distinguishable.



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 01:49 AM
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Originally posted by Drexon
Happy happy, joy joy.
I don't have anything concrete to add to this thread but the utter gratitude I feel towards Need Help for yet again sharing this experience with us. Gracias! Or whatever language you speak over there.


Hee hee..Portuguese!

Eles falam Portugues aqui, espanhol nao.
"They speak Portuguese here, not spanish".



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 01:52 AM
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Here's a microscopic picture of a nano-microchip.. you can see the tiny leads I'm talking about..





[edit on 8/15/2005 by QuietSoul]



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by QuietSoul

Okay this is a lot of info (good analysis might I add) and it's late. So I'll try my best to keep up with you here. I agree with you on all of this. It all makes sense and yes I did see that strange looking wall at the end of the piece that looks like it was cut with metal shears or punched out of a machine or something. That will be determined in a lab with Gevaerd's contact. I know I sure didn't cut it. Okay, I tried the magnet thing and there was 0 attraction. I can even make a small movie of it to show you. Don't know how I would show that online, but if anyone has any suggestions let me know and I can do it.

And yes, she has told me that she has had spells of extracting these. For instance she explained that one time she extracted one on one day, then in the next couple days coughed a couple more (something to that effect), then didn't expell another for a couple of years or so. Her sister the same.

I can file this baby right now if no one objects??


The only thing I can fathom here is the food supply. Is there a metal shop/factory near where she lives? Is there a type of food supply near this factory? (Agriculture, ect)

I mean, she could be eating food that is contaminated with scrap metal? Then again, if I was chowing down on some food, I'm sure I'd notice a small (but big) chunk of metal in my mouth. I seriously doubt her teeth could/would avoid such an object repeatedly though.. I've chipped teeth on tiny bones in meat products.. a piece of metal would be hard to miss..

Just tossing out ideas..

I say file it, gently and if you notice any discoloration (silver instead of gold) then stop of course.. if you don't, dont file it too much..

Also, have you attempted to look at this object with a microscope? The use of a microscope would tell you right away if it's a microchip or not. Most chips have microscopic leads (tiny lines where electricity travel), and are quite distinguishable.




I'll try filing it a little. I seriously do not want to mess this thing up.

It could be Diet Coke? It could be the water?



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 02:00 AM
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Great story, man. Now to think from the mind set of the supposed opponent: If I were an alien sticking micro-crap in people, I would like the micro crap to monitor emotions, levels of stress, vital statistics, memory recall, and influence you with artificial emotions, to control you.

Now if I wanted to monitor cranial activity, would place one in the brain, make it look like a cyst. And to monitor various vital signs, I would place it in the throat, so I could watch breath rate, blood flow, ect....

So that wraps up what an alien would want.

KushiMaster

PS: It could be surgically put in you and then you get screwed and then they make you forget it happens.....

[edit on 15-8-2005 by Kushi]



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 02:02 AM
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okay i filed it a little bit on a corner and it seems to be this gold color all the way through. I stopped also because I do not feel comfortable messing with this thing. I used a nail clipper file and it's so small that I was filing more of my nail than the actual object!



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 02:04 AM
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It could be Diet Coke? It could be the water?


Doubtful its water, most spickets have tiny screens in them, even the really old ones have some sort of filter in them to prevent small particles from entering your glass.

But, ask your friend to check her water spicket, unscrew it and see if theres a screen there, if there is, then its not coming from the water.. unless shes drinking from say, a garden hose or something



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 02:07 AM
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You are one of the many people "they" are trying to study. Why are they trying to study us though? Are they planning an invasion? Orwill they just try to adapt to our lifestyle and come in peace? Ahhh anywho.... great thread, I beleive you all the way and cant wait for the next updates on it.



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 02:18 AM
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I just found an article that sorta creeped me out..


In about five years, though, microchips might replace injections as the preferred method of delivering the biological drugs (usually proteins) used to treat hepatitis C and many forms of cancer. They may also be used to deliver hormones, pain medications, and insulin.

Today, researchers are in the early stages of putting medicine on chips—and the implications are weighty. For example, MicroChips, a start-up in Cambridge, Massachusetts, is building a chip with tiny channels etched on the back, each of which contains a minute amount of a drug. The channels are sealed with a fine layer of gold. When hit with a small electric charge, the gold dissolves, releasing the drug. The chip would be implanted under the skin or, for gastrointestinal ailments, swallowed.

"It's very much like a traditional chip," explains MicroChips president Dr. John T. Santini, Jr. "Our current devices are made out of silicon and have circuitry."


www.pcmag.com...

I'll dig deeper...

web.mit.edu...
Patent #5,797,898 (Long link)

[edit on 8/15/2005 by QuietSoul]


Microelectronic device packages are typically made of an insulating material such as aluminum oxide or silicon nitride.


From MIT:


We've developed a microchip that has the ability to store a large number of drugs or chemicals, control the time at which release begins, and control the rate at which the chemicals are released, all without moving parts. The microchip could be integrated with a tiny power supply and controlled by a microprocessor, remote control, or biosensors. This microchip technology has potential uses in areas such as medical diagnostics, chemical detection, combinatorial chemistry, drug delivery, cosmetics, and entertainment.


[edit on 8/15/2005 by QuietSoul]



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by And1balla2829
You are one of the many people "they" are trying to study. Why are they trying to study us though? Are they planning an invasion? Orwill they just try to adapt to our lifestyle and come in peace? Ahhh anywho.... great thread, I beleive you all the way and cant wait for the next updates on it.



Thanks, I appreciate that so much.

She honestly feels it's extraterrestrial and is very willing and antsy actually to interview with Gevaerd as long as we remain anonymous. You have to understand that they are Brazilian and her parents can't speak English and didn't have a pc or internet so they just threw the pieces away and stopped talking about it. They didn't know how or who to go to until the mom finally had the one in 2002 sent to a lab.

Why are they testing on us? Probably for the same reasons we do.



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 02:30 AM
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The only thing I can fathom here is the food supply. Is there a metal shop/factory near where she lives? Is there a type of food supply near this factory? (Agriculture, ect)

I'LL ANSWER IN CAPS SO YOU CAN DISTINGUISH. SHE HAS LIVED IN MANY PLACES IN BRAZIL, SO THAT RULES THAT OUT.

I mean, she could be eating food that is contaminated with scrap metal? Then again, if I was chowing down on some food, I'm sure I'd notice a small (but big) chunk of metal in my mouth. I seriously doubt her teeth could/would avoid such an object repeatedly though.. I've chipped teeth on tiny bones in meat products.. a piece of metal would be hard to miss..

EXACTLY, BECAUSE IT IS THE SAME CHIP COMING OUT OVER AND OVER IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT IT WOULD BE COMING FROM THE SAME SOURCE. THE ONLY 'SAME SOURCE' I CAN THINK OF IS DIET COKE. BUT I DRINK DIET COKE LIKE IT'S GOING OUT OF STYLE AND THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED TO ME.

Just tossing out ideas..

I say file it, gently and if you notice any discoloration (silver instead of gold) then stop of course.. if you don't, dont file it too much..

Also, have you attempted to look at this object with a microscope? The use of a microscope would tell you right away if it's a microchip or not. Most chips have microscopic leads (tiny lines where electricity travel), and are quite distinguishable.

I JUST USED HER TOOL, THAT THING THAT DOCTORS STICK IN YOUR EAR THAT HAS THE MAGNIFYING GLASS AND LIGHT AND THAT DIDN'T HELP MUCH.





posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by QuietSoul
I just found an article that sorta creeped me out..


In about five years, though, microchips might replace injections as the preferred method of delivering the biological drugs (usually proteins) used to treat hepatitis C and many forms of cancer. They may also be used to deliver hormones, pain medications, and insulin.

Today, researchers are in the early stages of putting medicine on chips—and the implications are weighty. For example, MicroChips, a start-up in Cambridge, Massachusetts, is building a chip with tiny channels etched on the back, each of which contains a minute amount of a drug. The channels are sealed with a fine layer of gold. When hit with a small electric charge, the gold dissolves, releasing the drug. The chip would be implanted under the skin or, for gastrointestinal ailments, swallowed.

"It's very much like a traditional chip," explains MicroChips president Dr. John T. Santini, Jr. "Our current devices are made out of silicon and have circuitry."


www.pcmag.com...

I'll dig deeper...

web.mit.edu...
Patent #5,797,898 (Long link)

[edit on 8/15/2005 by QuietSoul]


Microelectronic device packages are typically made of an insulating material such as aluminum oxide or silicon nitride.


[edit on 8/15/2005 by QuietSoul]


whoa..that is creepy..i'm reading



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 02:40 AM
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Here's the only picture I could find of it..



And that's a prototype.. so I'm sure if it works, it could be better manufactured at a nano-scale

Also, if you note, this isnt in an integrated circuit form, it's all laid out on one platform.. All they would have to do is put some layers (intergration) ontop of eachother instead of laying it all out to make it much smaller..



[edit on 8/15/2005 by QuietSoul]



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 02:50 AM
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Originally posted by QuietSoul
Here's the only picture I could find of it..



And that's a prototype.. so I'm sure if it works, it could be better manufactured at a nano-scale

Also, if you note, this isnt in an integrated circuit form, it's all laid out on one platform.. All they would have to do is put some layers (intergration) ontop of eachother instead of laying it all out to make it much smaller..



[edit on 8/15/2005 by QuietSoul]


I was going to say this sure isn't the size of a dime. I wish you all could see this "backside" yourselves in the sunlight at a certain angle...inbetween the "soft, sanded" outerlines you can make out in the pics i provided, the middle looks multi-colored, like super micro circuitry. But only testing is going to uncover that and I have to be patient!



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 03:03 AM
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Well, this technology has been proven to work.. I'm going out on a limb here, but if a government wanted to use this technology, for whatever reason.. they could make it much, much, much smaller by intergrating the circuits.. so essentially, the prototype (pictured above) could be scaled down to say.. a tiny piece of metal much the size of what you're presenting..

Anyhow, its way past my bedtime.. and we still don't know why, or how, this was found in your friend.. but I think I'm about spent for the night, so good luck on your searches ;0p



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 03:04 AM
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"You have voted QuietSoul for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have used all of your votes for this month."

Kudos, QS, on researching and finding information and articles for NH! I'm glued to this thread and am anxious to find out what happens. (Sort of like a mini series on Cable). Thanks for keeping us informed NH!
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