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Small Gold Flat Chips Extracted From Throat - Need Help

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posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 03:11 PM
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Uh, yup, there is an assertion. Of little gold flakes, remember? Thar be the assertion.

Come on, Steve, your ability to think critically is so weak you didn't even realize an assertion has been made.




posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 03:27 PM
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You should all remember or be able to read the thread from the beginning , and you will find that there is no reason to believe that this is a hoax.

Need Help came to the board asking if anyone recognized what this "Gold chip " is.

So far after 20,000 + views on this thread alone no one has recognized it with certainty.

In my first reply to her , I suggested she contact A. J. Gevaerd.

She has wisely taken good advice. Now the object whatever it is, is in the hands of Professional Ufologists. Hopefully we will know soon what it is or isn't.



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
In my online experience (extensive), people don't come to a site like this with a story like that unless attention is the motive.


Ooh ouch, that burns. Probably true, but still burns.

I guess that's what the Mod Squad is here for right? If proven false, it's in violation of the truth agreement signed for membership to the board.

Need Help isn't claiming exactly what these things are, only that it was produced from a girlfriend's throat. In that claim alone, I think there's very high probability. My daughter swallowed a quarter when she was 2. The thing was bigger that her throat! How she got it down I'll never know and eventually dissolved I guess since it wasn't found. Yes, we were advised by the doctor to search...

By the way, there's really no such thing as "child proofing". We were very attentive parents since she was our only daughter. One time inhaled a 2 inch piece of Saran Wrap (like in Need Help's picture) while on the floor. We didn't know what was going on until she looked at us and started to turn color. I jammed my finger to the back of her tongue and she threw back the last several hours of stomach contents...and for once I can use this graphic as illustration =
. As a parent you get used to that, especially when the alternative is losing your child. I'll say again, there's no such thing as "child proofing", only reducing risk of problems.

I'm rooting for Need Help, but not putting all my chips into the pot. Get it? Sorry, I shall go sit and a corner and think about the bad pun I just made...

[edit on 30-8-2005 by saint4God]



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by lost_shaman
So far after 20,000 + views on this thread alone no one has recognized it with certainty.


It appears to be a byproduct of integrated circuit manufacturing or similar small-scale devices.


This divot here (circled) is a clue that the piece here was either cut from a longer section, or stamped out of something bigger.



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by Grachus_Orelius
I am so sorry this is happening to you. When I was 10, I had an encounter I remember to this day. I don't know if it's happened again,but this is the only one I remember. We had moved into a house in very rural Virginia, and my bedroom on the second floor had a picture window which took up half the back wall. Needles to say curtains could not be found, so we had to have them made. Anyway, one night while in bed, I was staring at two stars that were brighter than the rest. All off a sudden one star broke off , and shot away in a milli-second, and the second started moving slowly towards the fields, and pastures in our back yard. It got closer, and closer (my legs felt like leaden bars).
A light unlike any I've ever seen before flodded my room , and the outside of the house. It was like a mist that was a light. The craft got within 15 yards of the back of the house, and did a u-turn vertically, and shot off again, it was there, and then it wasn't. I could make out what seemed to be seams, and equipment on the exterior(weird). It was definately a manufactured object, not natural. I ran to tell my mother, who was the only older person there, and she did not beleive me, and thought I was just afaid of the dark. She told me to sleep with my sister, who is two years younger; big help. I remember at about 1am my heart rate was still poundindg, and I could not sleep, and here is where it gets real weird... I cannot remember what they looked like, but around 1am 4 small figures entered throuh the locked balcony door in my sisters room. I froze with fear, and could'nt move, but when they moved toward my sister I yelled "Not her! Pease Take me! Please not her! I'll go!" This seemed to startle them, and after that all rememberance is gone. I remember waking up, and looking at the clock which said 3:00am. Maybe, it was a dream brought on bye the sighting I had earlier, I just dont know,but for two weeks later I had throat problems. It was very sore, and water burned going down. After about 2 weeks of this I started hacking one night, and 10 very small black colored objects with a pyramidal look came out of my esophagus. I showed them to my parents, and they laughed it off like I was just a kid making up stories, and took them, and put them on there nightstand. I never saw them again, and I wanted tests on them,but my parents deemed me a child with an overactive imagination. It is so frustrating not having anyone beleive you just because you are young. As soon as those objects came out the burning sensation in my throat dissapered. Also, in my back yard there was a 15 yard circumfrance depression in the ground about 2 inches deep, and the grass was brown, and pressed as if something cylyndrical, and heavy had laid there. Thank you, for your story because it makes me feel less crazy. People don't seem to understand untill it happens to them; except for those with open minds. My family is starting to wonder because I have told the same story for 18 years, and have never backed down on what I wittnessed that night, and starting after that night any book on ufology was consumed as fast as I could read it, and my ufo library became so big; it took up a whole wall. I think it scares them because they either think I'm crazy with a good memory, or something did happen that night. I hope it is the latter! Thanks for your story again.


It's true, you don't really believe until something happens to you. And even then it's so weird and scary that there's a part of you that still doesn't want to believe because it defies your whole reality and makes life more stressful. Let's say, I support you. I'm an evidence kind of person to accept the situation as true. My friend used to carry on this ghost lie since we were six years old and she finally fessed up and said she was lying 2 years ago. Trying to prove anything is obviously extremely volatile in this respect when it comes to "Ufology" and "aliens".



[edit on 30-8-2005 by Need Help]



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 03:41 PM
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Lost Shaman, even before Skeptic's last post, there is plenty of reason to assume it is a hoax. There are as many reasons to believe it is a hoax as there are not to believe it is a hoax. You simply prefer to believe it is true.



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 03:46 PM
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Ok, I'm back.. I've stepped out of the conversation for quite some time because my bull# meter topped out somewhere on page 4? 5? I don't remember.. but regardless, I jumped the gun with calling this all a hoax .. anyhow, I'm back.. and I'm curious again..

First off, for anyone not able to read Portuguese, you can have google translate the page for you at this address: www.ufo.com.br..." target="_blank" class="postlink">L ink

Now if you recall, I made the claim early that you were going to meet a "mysterious no name doctor" .. and we wouldnt be able to cross reference your claims. And this assumption still stands with only a partial name given..

Now, you've supplied us with a doctor's partial name.. Dr. Luciano

Do you know this doctor's full name? I'm trying to look his profile, just for record. I've scanned google and even scanned ufo.com.br and I fail to make a connection. There are several Luciano hits in google, but without a first (or last?) name, I'm getting no where.

This request for further information shouldn't be hard.. His name is readily available all over his office, his bills, his cards, or your bill.

Before you get defensive, I'm merely looking up this information to either
a) add weight to your story, or
b) reveal some credibility flaws in your story.

I am not however, trying to "debunk" anything. That wasnt my intention before, and it isnt now.

I'm a skeptic at heart, and will always remain so. So please don't take my request personally.

Until I see it on ufo.com.br, I will continue to remain skeptical as well. But until then, theres no harm in further researching your claims.


For your sake, I hope it's not this doctor:

Paulo Mazini, 54, burst into flames and writhed, screaming in agony, as terrified nurses scrambled to get clear of the inferno, witnesses say.

"One minute the operation was going smoothly and the next minute there was a tremendous flash and the patient was on fire," an eyewitness, who was in the operating room and has requested anonymity, told reporters.

"The pain must have been indescribable. Not only was the outside of his body on fire, but flames shot down the tube into his lungs as well."

While medical staffers were able to extinguish the blaze, it was too late to save Mazini, who died two hours later of third-degree burns, both external and internal.

Dr. Giorgio Luciano, who was performing the laser surgery to move a small tumor from Mazini's larynx, doesn't remember his hand slipping and touching the tube in the patient's throat. All he recalls is an explosion that knocked him flat.

But the respected surgeon takes full responsibility for the June 6 tragedy.

"I am truly mortified that something like this happened," Dr. Luciano said. "I offer my most sincere apologies and condolences to the patient's family."


[edit on 8/30/2005 by QuietSoul]



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Lost Shaman, even before Skeptic's last post, there is plenty of reason to assume it is a hoax. There are as many reasons to believe it is a hoax as there are not to believe it is a hoax. You simply prefer to believe it is true.


Do I believe that this object showed up in a strange place , and that it hasn't been Identified yet. Yes.

A hoax would suggest Need Help showed up here claiming that " she " found an Alien implant. Or that she knows what this is and is being deceptive with us.

That is not what happened.



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 03:58 PM
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Sigh.....
Looks like people are afraid to know the truth.

Shaman...everyone else that is interested. I'll post info and links when I get it.



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by lost_shaman
Do I believe that this object showed up in a strange place , and that it hasn't been Identified yet. Yes.

A hoax would suggest Need Help showed up here claiming that " she " found an Alien implant. Or that she knows what this is and is being deceptive with us.

That is not what happened.


Actually, a hoax can be anything that's deceptive in nature. Some people get off by lying and tricking people into believing what they spin. Most hoaxes are thought out, planned, and executed in a timely manner.

To claim that this can not be a hoax just because NeedHelp isnt claiming she found it or that she knows what the object is, is not true.

I can spin a hoax of me finding an object in a forest that may resemble an alien artifact.. and claim that all I want is help discovering what the object is.

The truth of the manner is, the object isn't an alien artifact, but something I manufactured in my garage; and my claim for help is nothing more then a cover story to spread this misinformation.

I'm not saying this is a hoax, but the possibility is there and shouldnt be discarded.. I'm on the fence.. still..



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 04:02 PM
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Remind me again why I'm posting updates here? PLEASE PEOPLE REMIND ME.

Because I can easily leave the results up to you to find.

Let me know and I will leave this board in a heartbeat.



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by Need Help
Sigh.....
Looks like people are afraid to know the truth.

Shaman...everyone else that is interested. I'll post info and links when I get it.



No, I'm not afraid to know the truth. The truth is exactly what I'm asking for here.

A simple name is all I ask.


Originally posted by Need Help
Remind me again why I'm posting updates here? PLEASE PEOPLE REMIND ME.

Because I can easily leave the results up to you to find.

Let me know and I will leave this board in a heartbeat.



Do I smell a repeat? Last time I started asking questions you pulled the same line and left for an extended "break" while all your believers bashed me for .. nonetheless.. asking questions.



[edit on 8/30/2005 by QuietSoul]



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by QuietSoul

Originally posted by Need Help
Sigh.....
Looks like people are afraid to know the truth.

Shaman...everyone else that is interested. I'll post info and links when I get it.



No, I'm not afraid to know the truth. The truth is exactly what I'm asking for here.

A simple name is all I ask.


Originally posted by Need Help
Remind me again why I'm posting updates here? PLEASE PEOPLE REMIND ME.

Because I can easily leave the results up to you to find.

Let me know and I will leave this board in a heartbeat.



Do I smell a repeat? Last time I started asking questions you pulled the same line and left for an extended "break" while all your believers bashed me for .. nonetheless.. asking questions.



[edit on 8/30/2005 by QuietSoul]


And a simple response you will get. No, you will not get his name from me. Don't you still have the taste of crow pie in your mouth? Where's the dunce cap Quiet Soul?

[edit on 30-8-2005 by Need Help]



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 04:20 PM
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The point I'm making is that she never claimed it was ET in nature.

And I'm sure that she would be pleased to find out that it is of an Earthly prosaic nature.

We have been exploring Earthly explanations throughout this thread. So to ID this chip doesn't prove this to be a hoax, it only would solve the mystery of the objects Identity which is what we've been trying to determine all along.

If she had come here and claimed this is an Alien Implant , then I too would think probable Hoax.

But to say "my G/F coughed this thing up , and we don't know if it came from the food or got into the toothpaste, or where it came from."

That is different from a hoax.



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 04:20 PM
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QuietSoul> PMed.

Need Help> I'm sure you all know how happy all of ATS is to have you here, sharing your experience with us. There is an ignore function under each persons avatar for a reason. Just saying.



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by Need Help
And a simple response you will get. No, you will not get his name from me. Don't you still have the taste of crow pie in your mouth? Where's the dunce cap Quiet Soul?
[edit on 30-8-2005 by Need Help]


No, the crow pie taste was overwhelmed by the amount of bull# you continue to feed us.

I recieved many u2u's from alot of people telling me not to back off, yet I did for the sake that nothing you presented could be cross referenced further. I told them all that they can bet on me returning whenever you provide ANY further evidence that can be cross referenced. And since then, some 14 pages of nothing useful later, you've finally supplied a tiny bit of evidence that you now refuse to disclose further because it can be cross referenced.

This thread is 19 pages of speculation, guessing, and no facts. Not one. And everytime you slip up and supply us an inkling of information, you're questioned and instantly become defensive.

If your "case" was true, you'd have no problem supplying the requested information. You'd be trying everything in your power to prove your story was real. Instead, you do your absolute best to keep us in the dark. And everytime someone questions you, you threaten to completely shut us out.



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
If you can't accept criticism and skeptical analysis of your material, then don't post here.


Did Need Help ask for any criticism? And to start a debate? No, I think she just wanted advice.



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 04:32 PM
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Okay, so here it is.

The only thing I am going to post here next is where my new blog is with updates. Something else, the moderators have all the sudden dinged me points for "excessive quoting". (?)

Consider this thread closed. I will create a blog and leave the address either in this thread or with someone I trust on this website.



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Uh, yup, there is an assertion. Of little gold flakes, remember? Thar be the assertion.

Come on, Steve, your ability to think critically is so weak you didn't even realize an assertion has been made.



I beleive you are jumping the gun... to assume you can make an authoritive statement about me like that, when you know nothing, is frankly simpleminded. I have chosen to beleive Need Help, and I have no desire to play the debunker although I could. I guess it depends where your lines of paranoid and naive is. Innocent until proven guilty.. and we have no need to prove Need Help guilty, when she has done nothing to warrant such debunking yet.

Not everyone who posts here does it knowing they are going to be forced into a courtroom by people like you. Let's be mature and remember that.

Show a little community support and trust here. Or do we want to frighten away every witness/reporter of the paranormal? Think about it. Without these people you would have no site.


Steve



posted on Aug, 30 2005 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by SteveR
No, I think she just wanted advice.


And she has received plenty of helpful replies.

But you must understand, the general nature of public discussion boards (especially this one) is have an open discussion, not one-sided. And, ATS has a long-standing reputation of harsh critical analysis in an effort to ensure the truth prevails, no matter what it might be.

More importantly, many of our members and staff have some rather extensive experiences with Internet hoaxes and especially alien/ufo/conspiracy falsehoods. It harms the serious conspiracy theory community if obvious hoaxes are allowed to live a long life, so we naturally dig deep to ensure fantastic stories hold up under close scrutiny.

And, as for simple actions/reactions and depth of board involvement, the author of this thread exhibits all the classic behavior of someone attempting to pull one over on us.




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