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Small Gold Flat Chips Extracted From Throat - Need Help

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posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 08:48 PM
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Anyone consider the possibility it's a heat sink?
Look at it, its flat on one side and groves on the other.

A while back I was hacking up mucus balls out of my throat, it was kind of gross.
Any chance there's a lot of gold dust down there for her to inhale? Possibility of this being gold imbued snott? I don’t think so because of the right angles, but still a theoretical possibility, especially if it was cut to shape after ejection...

I heard about this via the news letter and the "SCAM" alarm went off instinctively, but after reading it and seeing that it was not the author that made claims but rather the ATS members I don’t think it to be a scam any more.

Think about it, it's a piece of metal 1cm X 2cm and looks to be .5cm thick AND supposedly came from her throat.

The piece itself looks like a smaller version of a Lego gear, the flat piece with teeth on it that the gear moves back and forth on

I seriously doubt it is anything electronic. Try tossing it in the microwave!


And for everyone who is complaining about the people who are claiming this is a hoax,
If you close your mind to other's closed minds then closed mindedness will prevail as you have closed the last mind capable of opening your own.


"The truth is out there..." "No, you’re the one who's out there."




posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 11:08 PM
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Thanks Need Help ,

Now you can see why I thought you should contact Gevaerd!

I truly think that I had a CE-1 NL with a " Chupa" !!!

Right here in North Texas !

But I try to the best of my ability to remain objective.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by garyo1954
I am wondering if you have tried putting an ohmmeter across it need help.
It would be one of the first steps to detecting internal circuitry.




That's a really good suggestion. I used to work with Ohmmeters, not in great length, but we needed them to match cables up to locations so we didn't blow up the $70,000 US circuit boards we were working with. That would definitely help, but I don't know anyone here with one. My tech friend in the States has all of these things, but I'm not there.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by mrjones
Anyone consider the possibility it's a heat sink?
Look at it, its flat on one side and groves on the other.

A while back I was hacking up mucus balls out of my throat, it was kind of gross.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by lost_shaman
Thanks Need Help ,

Now you can see why I thought you should contact Gevaerd!

I truly think that I had a CE-1 NL with a " Chupa" !!!

Right here in North Texas !

But I try to the best of my ability to remain objective.


Yeah and what is really comforting is I saw his website and read some of that post you did and it seems Gevaerd wants the truth out there as much as the rest of us. That was great and comforting to see. Thanks so much for referring him! I emailed him and am waiting on his response; kind of biting my nails here. She has 1 - ONE - day off (today) and it would be good to get it in there today, but I haven't heard from him, so I don't think it's going to happen.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 09:50 AM
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Well you do know that the alcoholic drink, Goldslogger, does contain very similar gold flecks in it..........but ive never had any come back out of my mouth at all............MAybe thats what it is......has your girlfriend been partyin and drinkin goldslogger maybe?or maybe you were doing so with her and thought it would be a good idea to tell ppl the story,but really you just took photos of gold flecks from out of the goldslogger when you were drunk.............we can never know.....for real,because we have to just take your word for it, and I do, dont get me wrong, I believe your story entirely but just wanted to offer maybe another possibilty of the peculiar phenomena..........I myself am more interested in acquiring the so called monatomic elements that David Hudson supposedly discovered in arizona..........If anyone has any idea of how I might attain a good amount of this strange material for a price that isnt absurd, like idk,maybe free by making it yourself, I would be very interested in hereing of the process of attaining suchforth...........



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by Damadrumma
..I myself am more interested in acquiring the so called monatomic elements that David Hudson supposedly discovered in arizona..........If anyone has any idea of how I might attain a good amount of this strange material for a price that isnt absurd, like idk,maybe free by making it yourself, I would be very interested in hereing of the process of attaining suchforth...........


here is a good read on the metal you speak of
quacky science, or wacky cure?

and Need help: do you have any word on the Xrays yet? could your GF possibly get a head Xray? Most metals (perhaps all to a degree) will show up on xrays brilliantly... specially if they take 2 perspectives...
I realize that they might not have an Xray machine at her work, but since she is a doctor, she DOES have cheap access to Xrays from somewhere...

and that would be a good answer to your question... (are there more, where are they, and are they a threat to her health?)

wouldn't it be worth it, if the xrays showed several more imbedded in her sinus cavity... that might have been stuck up there for years... and perhaps caused allergies or recurrent infections...?
(true stories abound regarding spontaneous allergies from metal in the body)



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 10:46 AM
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These things seem familiar. I can't remember coughing anything up, but I seem to remember handling something similar when I was about five or six. Maybe it was just a plastic piece off that broke off of a toy, I just remember the form of it.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 10:54 AM
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Weird... do you think your girlfriend was abducted? Or maybe, something as a result of being at a hospital, maybe they're experimenting with a new deal. Since your gf's a doctor at a hospital, & that man was taken to a hospital shortly b4 he expelled those pieces of metal.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 12:02 PM
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Hi Need Help,

I haven't read all 12 pages of this thread, so forgive me if I repeat something said earlier.

Judging from your pictures on your first page, the object in question looks very much like a semiconductor chip I make every night in a semiconductor fab. Mind you, these chips are manufactured by the thousands on a single pure silicon wafer especially the size you have in your possession. And to separate them perfectly from each other you need a diamond cutting saw.
Yours looks perfectly cut. Other than a fab, someone can get one by prying open one of the little black looking chips in any electronic device such as that guy's cellphone. Doing so would harm the chip and break it, leave behind a thick resin glue on the back which would be obvious, or there would be little wires like tiny hairs around the edge of it where the chip has been bonded to connect with the outside world.

If its a semiconductor chip with circuitry printed on its surface that is too small to be seen, and mind you smaller than those grooves, then the chip should have a nice rainbow effect when you roll it in the light. Large masses of transistors and other structures have 3 dimensional shapes and reflect light kind of like a prism when light bounces off their super tiny structures.

Also, most modern chips only have one side. So, are there grooves on both sides? The reason for this is that the manufacturing process is too complicated to print on both sides of the wafer. Basically it is forbidden to touch the chips lest they be destroyed, so how would one bake a wafer with chips on its backside without destroying them? I'm sure Intel would love to speak to them.

A lot of our chips are gold looking in appearance, but its an effect from the various metals built up on the surface of the chip to give it this color.
Also this color would be on one side, and the silicon side would be dark grey. Judging by the thickness, that particular hasn't been ground down or thinned out for heat sink purposes, so I would say it never came from a finished product which would be super difficult for your girlfriend to get her hands on if not impossible.

Another super important part, do not forget, if it was terrestrial it would have rusted right away in her mouth, body, or any place in contact with moist "SALTY" tissure. Boy that sounds dirty... The main enemy of any wafer fab anywhere in the world is plain old salt, or that from people's bodies. Thats one reason why we wear those suits. I've seen a guy eating a bag of cheetoh's cough up some saliva onto the surface of a wafer and the salt from his spit and those cheetohs corroded the chips on the wafer almost instantly. And these chips already had their protective overcoat on them before they are sent away to be cut up and packaged.

So if it was a chip from earth, it most likely would have turned to a rusty piece of crap had it been in her mouth for a short length of time, not to mention it would have irritated the hell out of her tissues in contact with the device. She might would have experienced metal fever which is caused by inhaling metal powders which used to be common in the industry. What it feels like I have no idea, but it would be more unbearable than a migraine.

You don't need to send the thing to any fancy lab to have it checked out, thats people's first mistake. If she's a doctor she should have relative easy access to any microscope at a hospital. Anything more powerful than a toy one could see the circuits on its surface if its terrestrial. Now if nothing can be seen then, then you need to move up to an electron microscope, because then you're dealing with nanometer sized structures which would be beyond the vision of the most powerful optical microscopes.
A university would have one, and some professor or grad student would be glad to assist you.

At no time, should you give your chip to someone for investigation no matter how credible you think they are. NEVER. Unless you and several large friends are there eagle-eyeing the whole process, don't let anybody keep their grubby hands on it for too long.

Luckily your girlfriend keeps manufacturing them from time to time. If you get another one, keep that one secret as an insurance policy in case someone rips off the first one.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 12:30 PM
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Now if I were an alien, I would have went with a spherical shaped chip,
like this one from Ball Semiconductor:

www.ballsemi.com...

The technology was invented in the 70's by Texas Instruments.
70's people... just like the DLP chip with the moving microscopic mirrors.
In fact they use a style of DLP chip to print the circuits on the spherical surface without the aid of a traditional photomask.

After looking at the first pic again, I'm not sure what to make of the heavy grooves. No semi process would do that for any reason if it were an actual device. A heat sink of that size wouldn't make sense as someone suggested, because the silicon of most chips is good at throwing off heat.
The heat of the human body wouldn't even be relevant enough for such a thing.

Maybe the grooves are used to derive power from salts in the body for power. Kind of like the children's science project at the toy store where you hook a clock into a potato for power. Look it up on the net.
Because when you think about it, this thing would have to power itself somehow to be of use to anybody, man or alien. If it had supeconducting
materials in it, then the low power supplied by the salts would be sufficient.
And that sort of thing doesn't exist in commercial semi plants. I'm not even sure if the military has something like that.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 12:59 PM
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If you designed a chip to be put into a body, you would not use a heat sink. Heat sinks are designed to dissipate heat to the air, so air flow is needed. This won't work if it is inside the body.



For a chip that small, a heat sink would not be needed. It would probably use less than 1/8 of a watt of power. Most small components dissipate heat through the PC board. If it were meant to be used in a body, then the body would be the heat sink.



posted on Aug, 17 2005 @ 01:22 PM
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Need Help, please keep us updated on what happens and please don't give the people who are close minded and only want to debunk it attention or let them get to you.



posted on Aug, 18 2005 @ 11:24 AM
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I've skimmed most of the thread, but may have missed if someone has already asked my question:

Does it float or sink?



posted on Aug, 18 2005 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong

Originally posted by Damadrumma
..I myself am more interested in acquiring the so called monatomic elements that David Hudson supposedly discovered in arizona..........If anyone has any idea of how I might attain a good amount of this strange material for a price that isnt absurd, like idk,maybe free by making it yourself, I would be very interested in hereing of the process of attaining suchforth...........


here is a good read on the metal you speak of
quacky science, or wacky cure?

and Need help: do you have any word on the Xrays yet? could your GF possibly get a head Xray? Most metals (perhaps all to a degree) will show up on xrays brilliantly... specially if they take 2 perspectives...
I realize that they might not have an Xray machine at her work, but since she is a doctor, she DOES have cheap access to Xrays from somewhere...

and that would be a good answer to your question... (are there more, where are they, and are they a threat to her health?)

wouldn't it be worth it, if the xrays showed several more imbedded in her sinus cavity... that might have been stuck up there for years... and perhaps caused allergies or recurrent infections...?
(true stories abound regarding spontaneous allergies from metal in the body)




No, she couldn't get the X-ray done the other night. She was slammed with work. But she'll do it when she can and I'll post what I see when I have it.

She has X-rayed her head recently and nothing was found to be abnormal according to her. Like no little metals pieces can be seen.

I nor she has ever had Goldenschlager nor do we drink often and never drug.

It's not a heat sink.

I'm not really going to be posting anything until I have worthy news like when it goes into the lab etc., righty 'o?


Thanks for all the help and suggestions. I appreciate it!

Jessica



posted on Aug, 18 2005 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by Xannax
Weird... do you think your girlfriend was abducted? Or maybe, something as a result of being at a hospital, maybe they're experimenting with a new deal. Since your gf's a doctor at a hospital, & that man was taken to a hospital shortly b4 he expelled those pieces of metal.


A.J. Gevaerd seems to think it's a possibility; alien abduction. He said that he's not saying that's the case, but it very well could be.

No, I don't think it has anything to do with medical implant chips.



posted on Aug, 18 2005 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by tjack
I've skimmed most of the thread, but may have missed if someone has already asked my question:

Does it float or sink?


Good question! But shucks, I don't have it with me right now. I put it into an empty paperclip box and stapled it shut so she won't lose it. She's coming home soon, so I'll see if it floats or sinks. I didn't think of that. It has 0 attraction towards magnets. God, I tried to just post one thing today so I can get to the other things I need to get done, but then someone asks a good question and my mind starts going again!



posted on Aug, 18 2005 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by CAPT PROTON
Hi Need Help,

I haven't read all 12 pages of this thread, so forgive me if I repeat something said earlier.

Judging from your pictures on your first page, the object in question looks very much like a semiconductor chip I make every night in a semiconductor fab. Mind you, these chips are manufactured by the thousands on a single pure silicon wafer especially the size you have in your possession. And to separate them perfectly from each other you need a diamond cutting saw.
Yours looks perfectly cut. Other than a fab, someone can get one by prying open one of the little black looking chips in any electronic device such as that guy's cellphone. Doing so would harm the chip and break it, leave behind a thick resin glue on the back which would be obvious, or there would be little wires like tiny hairs around the edge of it where the chip has been bonded to connect with the outside world.

If its a semiconductor chip with circuitry printed on its surface that is too small to be seen, and mind you smaller than those grooves, then the chip should have a nice rainbow effect when you roll it in the light. Large masses of transistors and other structures have 3 dimensional shapes and reflect light kind of like a prism when light bounces off their super tiny structures.

Also, most modern chips only have one side. So, are there grooves on both sides? The reason for this is that the manufacturing process is too complicated to print on both sides of the wafer. Basically it is forbidden to touch the chips lest they be destroyed, so how would one bake a wafer with chips on its backside without destroying them? I'm sure Intel would love to speak to them.

A lot of our chips are gold looking in appearance, but its an effect from the various metals built up on the surface of the chip to give it this color.
Also this color would be on one side, and the silicon side would be dark grey. Judging by the thickness, that particular hasn't been ground down or thinned out for heat sink purposes, so I would say it never came from a finished product which would be super difficult for your girlfriend to get her hands on if not impossible.

Another super important part, do not forget, if it was terrestrial it would have rusted right away in her mouth, body, or any place in contact with moist "SALTY" tissure. Boy that sounds dirty... The main enemy of any wafer fab anywhere in the world is plain old salt, or that from people's bodies. Thats one reason why we wear those suits. I've seen a guy eating a bag of cheetoh's cough up some saliva onto the surface of a wafer and the salt from his spit and those cheetohs corroded the chips on the wafer almost instantly. And these chips already had their protective overcoat on them before they are sent away to be cut up and packaged.

So if it was a chip from earth, it most likely would have turned to a rusty piece of crap had it been in her mouth for a short length of time, not to mention it would have irritated the hell out of her tissues in contact with the device. She might would have experienced metal fever which is caused by inhaling metal powders which used to be common in the industry. What it feels like I have no idea, but it would be more unbearable than a migraine.

You don't need to send the thing to any fancy lab to have it checked out, thats people's first mistake. If she's a doctor she should have relative easy access to any microscope at a hospital. Anything more powerful than a toy one could see the circuits on its surface if its terrestrial. Now if nothing can be seen then, then you need to move up to an electron microscope, because then you're dealing with nanometer sized structures which would be beyond the vision of the most powerful optical microscopes.
A university would have one, and some professor or grad student would be glad to assist you.

At no time, should you give your chip to someone for investigation no matter how credible you think they are. NEVER. Unless you and several large friends are there eagle-eyeing the whole process, don't let anybody keep their grubby hands on it for too long.

Luckily your girlfriend keeps manufacturing them from time to time. If you get another one, keep that one secret as an insurance policy in case someone rips off the first one.


Oh gosh this is super long to reply to. If you did read the thread you would definitely get a better understanding of the entire situation and I think some of your questions would be answered. And thank you for your post.

Why I say 'read the thread' is because you made a lot of good points that have been already discussed, such as the issue of should I do the research on this myself or give it to professionals? At first I wanted nothing more than to do the research first myself and then send it off to qualified people. But someone made a good point that I may damage it in the process and that would foil any possibility of allowing someone who is recognized, trusted, and acclaimed in the field to do their own research and perhaps later publish their results for the public to see.

It would be great if I was assured of my own conclusions by doing my own research, but what if I damage it and she never extracts another one again? I don't want to be that selfish. How is just a small group of people knowing the truth going to be productive for everyone else? No one can trust what just a few people say. So that's why I'm giving it to someone who is acclaimed in the field so that if it IS extraterrestrial professionals/governments, whomever, can jump on it and research the heck out of it so we know what we're dealing with.

I've recently read on A.J. Gevaerd and he seems very professional and who's not afraid to post his findings to the public at all.



posted on Aug, 18 2005 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by CAPT PROTON
Now if I were an alien, I would have went with a spherical shaped chip,
like this one from Ball Semiconductor:

www.ballsemi.com...

The technology was invented in the 70's by Texas Instruments.
70's people... just like the DLP chip with the moving microscopic mirrors.
In fact they use a style of DLP chip to print the circuits on the spherical surface without the aid of a traditional photomask.

After looking at the first pic again, I'm not sure what to make of the heavy grooves. No semi process would do that for any reason if it were an actual device. A heat sink of that size wouldn't make sense as someone suggested, because the silicon of most chips is good at throwing off heat.
The heat of the human body wouldn't even be relevant enough for such a thing.

Maybe the grooves are used to derive power from salts in the body for power. Kind of like the children's science project at the toy store where you hook a clock into a potato for power. Look it up on the net.
Because when you think about it, this thing would have to power itself somehow to be of use to anybody, man or alien. If it had supeconducting
materials in it, then the low power supplied by the salts would be sufficient.
And that sort of thing doesn't exist in commercial semi plants. I'm not even sure if the military has something like that.



Gosh, really good points.



posted on Aug, 18 2005 @ 01:30 PM
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How come in the latest pictures you provided a few pages back, the corner was not shaved as you said you did.

There was no damage at all.




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