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reply posted on 7-9-2003 @ 07:45 PM by FULCRUM

USAF "missiles only" F-4 with 5 kill markings on it. (From the Nam)

Here are more "aces" lists:

NVAF:
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PLAAF:
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US:
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USSR:
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I just wonder where are the North Korean pilots?
US has allways claimed that Koreans flew for NVAF, and now Koreans have admitted that they did send some 800 pilots to Vietnam and that USSR provited the "mounts" MiG-21s cost free..

Chinese are involded cause US flew spy mission to China, so they shot drones, spy planes and also some fighters down.

And some of the USSR:s instructors that were in Vietnam also did fly missions with some success too.

Here is link to the NK pilots in NVAF:
edition.cnn.com...

Lee Chul Soo, a North Korean air force captain who defected to South Korea in 1998, said more than 800 North Korean pilots flew Soviet-provided MiG jets to help North Vietnamese troops fight U.S. forces.


So there you have it. Enjoy!


reply posted on 8-9-2003 @ 02:41 AM by FULCRUM
Here it is:

US aircraft loses in SEA 1/2 (1,67mb)

US aircraft loses in SEA 2/2 (1.02mb)

Major parts of a 90 page US declassified (1983?) report.

But i still belive that many kills "given" to AAA were infact caused by SAM:s or MiG:s

Use the "save as" function when viewing these, thanks.

And again couple of nice photos:

NVAF MiG-21PF-V or PFM. (date and place unknown, orginal caption says: MiG:s are ready for next sortie.)


Another guncamera shot of NVAF MiG-17.
(place, date and shooter unknown, but most propably taken by US jet, and the MiG looks like it has taken some hits.)

Next two photos have nothing to do with any "Indochina wars".

NVAF Ground crew arming SU-22(s) with a unknown missille, at unknown base and time.

(tell me what missile this is if somebody knows? My guess is that it is somekind of anti-ship missile,
or air launched/towed target? As only missile that i found that even looked like this one was AS-6 "Kingfish"
and it is much too large/heavy for SU-22.)


SU-27s of NVAF Vietnam has at least 10 single- and 2 two-seaters.

I hope that you will appreciate my efforts. Enjoy!

[Edited on 8-9-2003 by FULCRUM]


reply posted on 8-9-2003 @ 09:32 PM by FULCRUM
During the execution of Rolling Thunder, there were a number of clashes between US and Chinese aircraft over the South China Sea. The Chinese played a key role in NVAF fighter operations, and in addition to providing training and aircraft, they allowed the North Vietnamese to intercept US aircraft directly from their own bases during the intense air battles of mid-1967. American intelligence had, by that stage, ascertained that Chinese early warning radars (including those on the island of Hainan) were 'netted in' to North Vietnamese air defense system. China set up massive AAA defenses in North Vietnam from 1965-1968. Pre-emptying this overt assistance to its beleaguered neighbor, the Chinese had drawn blood on 9 April 1965 by claiming the first US Navy air-to-air loss of the war. An f-4B from VF-96 (crewed by Lieutenant(jg) Terence M Murphy and Ensign Ronald J Fagan) was lost in combat with four J-5s (Chinese-built MiG-17s) of the 8th Naval Air Division. Murphy and Fagan claimed one J-5 (hit with an AIM-7) as the first US kill of the war, but this is not confirmed by Chinese sources. Flying from USS Ranger on a high-altitude BarCap near Hainan Island at the time of the engagement, both crew were lost. Reports emanating from China soon after the action stated that the Phantom II was hit by a misdirected AIM-9 fired from another VF-96 jet. Chairmen Mao then ordered the best Chinese air units to the Vietnamese border.

Chinese fighters also destroyed two USAF F-104Cs in separate incidents later that year when the Lockheed jets, operating out of Da Nang, clashed with J-5s over the South China Sea. The Communists claimed kills on 20 September (reportedly confirmed by the USAF at the time) and 5 October 1965, although postwar Air Force records admitted no air-to-air losses for the F-104C - the three reportedly lost to AAA in 1965 may include these two 'Chinese' kills. The Americans did manage to strike back on 12 May 1966: an F-4C crew from the 390th TFS shot down a Chinese J-5, supposedly over North Vietnam. The Chinese claimed that it was on a training flight over Yunnan province and they filed a diplomatic protest. Chinese fighters operated over North Vietnam on several occasions during 1966 but saw no combat. However, they did intercept some US aircraft on ferrying missions from the Philippines to Vietnam. A US Navy KA-3B tanker (on 12 April 1966) and a USAF F-4C (on 26 June 1967) were reportedly shot down in this way.

The Chinese claimed to have downed an additional three US aircraft (and damaged two others) during this period, with the last confirmed kill of the war according to US records being an A-1H Skyraider of VA-25 that was shot down on 14 February 1968 - its pilot, Lieutenant(jg) J P Dunn, was posted as MIA. Total Chinese claims were 12 shot down and four damaged as a result of 2,138 sorties.

Improved relations between the US and China helped prevent any clashes when air strikes resumed in 1972. These skirmishes provide another example of the type of 'quasi-war' often fought against fighters of neighboring powers during regional conflicts (US and Soviet aircraft also traded shots during the Korean War).


Well this isnt the kill list but still is intressing to read.

And here is a unrelated picture with a "vivid" caption:

The weapon is 76-85mm heavy AA cannon. Most likely "85mm AA gun model 1944"
"Over the last month, taking new steps in their escalation in order to save themselves from their disastrous situation and impasse in South Vietnam the U. S. aggressors have put into practice the so-called "rolling thunder plan" by carrying out repeated ferocious attacks against many North Vietnamese localities, among which Haiphong has been one of their main objectives.

They have wantonly bombed many populous quarters and economic establishments inside and outside the City. But they have met with a dense network of anti-aircraft fire of the army and people of Haiphong and have been duly punished.

Over the past forty days Haiphong has grown in strength in the fight and won victorious victories. From April 26, 1967 to October 11, 1967 the army and people of Haiphong shot down 161 U.S. airplanes and killed or captured many U.S. pilots."


And i am not to blame for the typos in the caption,
but is the Vietnamese propaganda masterminds of 60s that are to blame.

[Edited on 9-9-2003 by FULCRUM]


reply posted on 8-9-2003 @ 11:14 PM by FULCRUM

An RF-4C explodes after being hit by an SA-2 "Guideline" surface-to-air missile.


A B-66 acts as a radar pathfinder for flights of F-105s on a Rolling Thunder mission over North Vietnam.

Good to read:

What the Soviets learned.
LOCAL wars such as the one in Indochina have unveiled the real face of contemporary warfare. That war drove the imperialist countries into rearmament. It also proved and fortified certain aspects of Soviet tactics, effecting changes and the development of others.1 Learning the lessons of local wars and their implications points out the direction of developments and changes in military matters and affects future developments of new tactics and weapon systems..


But like in all others there is in this article also such claims about air-to-air combat that make no sense, so it would seem that i will never be able to put together anykind of list about the victories and the loses.. as the lists are so different.. and all claim that US shot more down than lost in air-to-air combat, and as i dont belive that this was the case i will not post those.

anyhow, it seems that the number of MiG:s claimed by US, 137 (54 are MiG-21s) is the correct number that the NVAF did lose, but the claims for only 67 lost are lies. NVAF claims total of 340 in air-to-air combat, and i think that this is infact the truht.

As we know US lost total of 3338 Aircraft in SEA, admiting only 623 lost over North Vietnam,
and only 1736 to enemy action.

US combat (SEA) loses in FY62-73

AAA 1443 (83,2%)
SAM 106 (6,3%)
Base attack 96 (5,5%)
MiG 67 (3,8%)
Other 21 (1,2%)

total: 1736


And the rest just falled from the sky? Yeah, right..


reply posted on 10-9-2003 @ 07:14 PM by FULCRUM
But in the end it was the foot soldiers that decided the out come of the Vietnam war:

Viet Cong guerrillas plant American-made mines upon learning
that South Vietnamese troops are approaching
the Mekong Delta (1973).
(The mine is M18 Claymore and the other man is also armed with US M-16 rifle.)

Summary of air-to-air combat as i see things:

US lost: 340
US downed: 137

Kill / Lose ratio: 1:2.4817518

So for 2,5 downed US jets, one downed NVAF MiG,
and not the other way around as is so often claimed.

But please do correct me if i am totally wrong.. (i am not, i think..)

Or post more info on the subject if you have / have find some..
The subject cover now all aspects of Vietnam airwar.. arclight, helos, gunship, drones, the Ho Chi Minh trail and everything.. that flew in SEA, during US involvement


reply posted on 4-6-2011 @ 05:47 PM by kondor
Here are comparative combat records of different fighters from that era, based on confirmed kills only. They are global, but you can extract only those from Vietnam War.


F-4 Phantom II vs MiG-21 "Fishbed" : 1.68:1


MiG-21 vs F-4 kills : 89

5.10.1966 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4C (USAF)
9.10.1966 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4B (USN)
23.08.1967 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 2 x F-4D (USAF)
8.11.1967 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
17.12.1967 MiG-21PF (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4C (USAF)
18.01.1968 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 2 x F-4D (USAF)
12.02.1968 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4B (USN)
23.02.1968 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
7.05.1968 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4B (USN)
16.06.1968 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4J (USN)
6.12.1969 MiG-21F-13 (Egypt) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
8.02.1970 MiG-21PFS (Egypt) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
2.04.1970 MiG-21PFM (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
18.12.1971 MiG-21PFM (Vietnam) - 2 x F-4D (USAF)
27.04.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4B (USN)
10.05.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4J (USN)
10.05.1972 MiG-21PFM (Vietnam) - 2 x F-4B (USN)
11.05.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
20.05.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
13.06.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
21.06.1972 MiG-21MF (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
23.06.1972 MiG-21MF (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
24.06.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
- 1 x F-4E (USAF)
27.06.1972 MiG-21MF (Vietnam) - 3 x F-4E (USAF)
5.07.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 2 x F-4E (USAF)
8.07.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
24.07.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
29.07.1972 MiG-21MF (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
30.07.1972 MiG-21MF (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
26.08.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4J (USMC)
11.09.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4B (USN)
- 1 x F-4E (USAF)
12.09.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
1.10.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
5.10.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
6.10.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
12.10.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
26.12.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
27.12.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 2 x F-4E (USAF)
7.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
7.10.1973 MiG-21FL (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
7.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Egypt) - 2 x F-4E (Israel)
8.10.1973 MiG-21FL (Syria) - 3 x F-4E (Israel)
8.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Syria) - 1 x RF-4E (Israel)
9.10.1973 MiG-21FL (Syria) - 2 x F-4E (Israel)
11.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Egypt) - 2 x F-4E (Israel)
14.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Egypt) - 4 x F-4E (Israel)
16.10.1973 MiG-21FL (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
16.10.1973 MiG-21 (Egypt) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
17.10.1973 MiG-21FL (Syria) - 2 x F-4E (Israel)
18.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Egypt) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
20.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
21.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
21.10.1973 MiG-21FL (Egypt) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
23.10.1973 MiG-21F-13 (Egypt) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
23.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Egypt) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
28.11.1973 MiG-21SMT (Rusia) - 1 x RF-4E (Iran)
19.04.1974 MiG-21MF (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
8.09.1980 MiG-21MF (Irak) - 1 x F-4E (Iran)
25.09.1980 MiG-21MF (Irak) - 1 x RF-4E (Iran)
8.10.1980 MiG-21MF (Irak) - 1 x F-4D (Iran)
9.10.1980 MiG-21MF (Irak) - 1 x F-4D (Iran)
19.10.1980 MiG-21MF (Irak) - 1 x F-4E (Iran)
12.1980 MiG-21bis (Irak) - 2 x F-4E (Iran)
18.01.1981 MiG-21 (Irak) - 1 x F-4E (Iran)
05.1981 MiG-21MF (Irak) - 2 x F-4E (Iran)
7.05.1981 MiG-21MF (Irak) - 1 x F-4E (Iran)
10.06.1982 MiG-21bis (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
10.1982 MiG-21MF (Irak) - 1 x F-4E (Iran)


F-4 vs MiG-21 kills : 150

26.04.1966 F-4C (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
14.07.1966 F-4C (USAF) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
5.11.1966 F-4C (USAF) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
2.01.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 7 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
6.01.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
23.04.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
26.04.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
4.05.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
20.05.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
22.05.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
10.08.1967 F-4B (USN) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
24.10.1967 F-4D (USAF) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
26.10.1967 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
26.10.1967 F-4B (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
5.02.1968 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
6.02.1968 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
12.02.1968 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
9.05.1968 F-4B (USN) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
16.06.1968 F-4B (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
10.07.1968 F-4J (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
11.09.1969 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
11.11.1969 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
1970 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
- 1 x MiG-21 (Syria)
8.02.1970 F-4E (Israel) - 2 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
6.03.1970 F-4E (Israel) - 2 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
28.03.1970 F-4J (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
30.07.1970 F-4E (Israel) - 2 x MiG-21MF (Rusia)
1971 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
19.01.1972 F-4J (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
21.02.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
1.03.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
30.03.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
16.04.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 3 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
6.05.1972 F-4J (USN) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
8.05.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
10.05.1972 F-4J (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
10.05.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
11.05.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
23.05.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
31.05.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
31.05.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
13.06.1972 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
21.06.1972 F-4J (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
21.06.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
8.07.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 3 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
18.07.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
29.07.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
29.07.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
10.08.1972 F-4J (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
12.08.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
15.08.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
19.08.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
28.08.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
9.09.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
11.09.1972 F-4J (USMC) - 1 x MiG-21US (Vietnam)
12.09.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
12.09.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
16.09.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
5.10.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
6.10.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
8.10.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
12.10.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
13.10.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
15.10.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
15.10.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
21.11.1972 F-4E (Israel) - 2 x MiG-21 (Syria)
18.12.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
21.12.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
22.12.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
28.12.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
28.12.1972 F-4J (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
7.01.1973 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
8.01.1973 RF-4E (Israel) - 2 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
13.09.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 7 x MiG-21 (Syria)
7.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Syria)
- 2 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
8.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
9.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Syria)
10.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 2 x MiG-21 (Syria)
- 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
11.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
13.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 3 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
- 2 x MiG-21PF (Irak)
14.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 3 x MiG-21MF (Egypt)
15.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
17.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 3 x MiG-21 (Syria)
21.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
- 1 x MiG-21 (Syria)
23.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 4 x MiG-21 (Syria)
29.04.1974 F-4E (Israel) - 4 x MiG-21 (Syria)
25.04.1981 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
26.04.1981 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
15.05.1981 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
22.09.1981 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
19.03.1982 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
4.04.1982 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
10.06.1982 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Syria)
16.07.1982 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
15.09.1982 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
16.11.1982 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
19.04.1985 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)


F-4 Phantom II vs MiG-19 / Shenyang J-6 "Farmer"


F-4 vs MiG-19/J-6 2.8:1


MiG-19/J-6 vs F-4 kills : 5

14.04.1967 J-6 (China) - 1 x F-4B (USN)
26.06.1967 J-6 (China) - 1 x F-4C (USAF)
10.05.1972 J-6 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
- 1 x F-4E (USAF)
18.05.1972 J-6 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)


F-4 vs MiG-19/J-6 kills : 14

8.05.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-19 (Vietnam)
10.05.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 2 x J-6 (Vietnam)
10.05.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x J-6 (Vietnam)
12.05.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x J-6 (Vietnam)
18.05.1972 F-4B (USN) - 4 x MiG-19 (Vietnam)
2.06.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-19 (Vietnam)
2.09.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x J-6 (Vietnam)
9.09.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 2 x MiG-19 (Vietnam)
6.10.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x J-6 (Vietnam)


F-4 Phantom II vs MiG-17/J-4/J-5 "Fresco" 4.33:1


MiG-17/J-4/J-5 vs F-4 kills : 15

20.07.1965 J-4 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4 (US)
4.03.1966 J-5 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4 (US)
26.04.1966 J-5 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4C (USAF)
16.09.1966 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4C (USAF)
21.09.1966 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4C (USAF)
12.05.1967 J-5 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4C (USAF)
19.05.1967 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 2 x F-4B (USN)
20.05.1967 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4C (USAF)
19.11.1967 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 2 x F-4B (USN)
17.12.1967 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 2 x F-4D (USAF)
10.07.1972 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4J (USN)
18.10.1973 MiG-17 (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)



F-4 vs MiG-17/J-4/J-5 kills : 65

9.04.1965 F-4B (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (China)
17.06.1965 F-4B (USN) - 3 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
10.07.1965 F-4C (USAF) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
20.07.1965 F-4 (US) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
6.10.1965 F-4B (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
23.04.1966 F-4C (USAF) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
26.04.1966 F-4C (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
30.04.1966 F-4C (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
12.05.1966 F-4C (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
13.07.1966 F-4B (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
16.09.1966 F-4C (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
24.04.1967 F-4B (USN) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
1.05.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
13.05.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
14.05.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 3 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
20.05.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 4 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
5.06.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 3 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
21.09.1967 F-4B (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
26.10.1967 F-4D (USAF) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
30.10.1967 F-4B (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
6.11.1967 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
17.12.1967 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
19.12.1967 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
3.01.1968 F-4D (USAF) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
18.01.1968 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
14.02.1968 F-4D (USAF) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
28.03.1968 F-4J (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
6.03.1972 F-4B (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
6.05.1972 F-4B (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
8.05.1972 F-4J (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
10.05.1972 F-4J (USN) - 6 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
10.05.1972 F-4B (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
18.05.1972 F-4B (USN) - 1 x MiG-17F (Vietnam)
23.05.1972 F-4B (USN) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
11.06.1972 F-4B (USN) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
12.01.1973 F-4B (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
6.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 8 x MiG-17F (Egypt)


reply posted on 4-6-2011 @ 05:59 PM by kondor
Plus the complete combat records for:


F-8 Crusader


Air victories: 19

12.06.1966 F-8E (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
21.06.1996 F-8E (USN) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
9.10.1966 F-8E (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
1.05.1967 F-8E (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
19.05.1967 F-8E (USN) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
19.05.1967 F-8C (USN) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
21.07.1967 F-8C (USN) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
21.07.1967 F-8E (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
14.12.1967 F-8E (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
26.06.1968 F-8H (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
9.07.1968 F-8E (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
29.07.1968 F-8E (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
1.08.1968 F-8H (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
9.09.1968 F-8C (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
23.05.1972 F-8J (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)


Losses in air to air combat: 5

21.06.1966 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 1 x RF-8A (USN)
- 1 x F-8E (USN)
14.07.1966 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-8E (USN)
5.09.1966 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-8E (USN)
9.07.1968 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-8 (USN)


F-105 Thunderchief


Air victories : 32

4.04.1965 F-105D (USAF) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
14.10.1965 F-105D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
29.06.1966 F-105D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
18.08.1966 F-105D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
21.09.1966 F-105D (USAF) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
4.12.1966 F-105D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
10.03.1967 F-105D (USAF) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
26.03.1967 F-105D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
19.04.1967 F-105D (USAF) - 5 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
28.04.1967 F-105D (USAF) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
30.04.1967 F-105D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
12.05.1967 F-105D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
13.05.1967 F-105D (USAF) - 5 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
3.06.1967 F-105D (USAF) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
23.08.1967 F-105D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
18.10.1967 F-105D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
27.10.1967 F-105D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
19.12.1967 F-105F (USAF) - 2 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)


Losses in air to air combat : 34

4.04.1065 J-4 (Vietnam) - 2 x F-105D (USAF)
14.10.1965 J-4 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
23.04.1965 J-5 (Vietnam) - 2 x F-105D (USAF)
24.04.1965 J-5 (Vietnam) - 2 x F-105D (USAF)
7.06.1966 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
29.06.1966 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
7.07.1966 MiG-21F-13 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
11.07.1966 MiG-21F-13 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
19.07.1966 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
17.08.1966 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105F (USAF)
5.12.1966 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
14.12.1966 MiG-21F-13 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
19.04.1967 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105F (USAF)
25.04.1967 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
28.04.1967 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
30.04.1967 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 3 x F-105D (USAF)
12.05.1967 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105F (USAF)
23.08.1967 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
7.10.1967 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105F (USAF)
9.10.1967 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
25.10.1967 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
18.11.1967 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
- 1 x F-105F (USAF)
20.11.1967 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
17.12.1967 MiG-21PF (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
3.01.1968 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
5.01.1968 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105F (USAF)
4.02.1968 MiG-21PF (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105D (USAF)
11.05.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-105G (USAF)


A-4 Skyhawk


Air victories : 3

1.05.1967 A-4C (USN) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)
12.05.1970 A-4 (Israel) - 2 x MiG-17 (Syria)


Losses in air to air combat : 19

25.04.1967 MiG-17 (Vietnam) - 1 x A-4E (USN)
20.06.1970 MiG-21MF (Egypt) - 1 x A-4E (Israel)
6.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Syria) - 1 x A-4E (Israel)
7.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Egypt) - 1 x A-4E (Israel)
7.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Syria) - 1 x A-4E (Israel)
8.10.1973 MiG-17F (Syria) - 2 x A-4E (Israel)
11.10.1973 MiG-21PFM (Irak) - 1 x TA-4 (Israel)
11.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Syria) - 1 x A-4E (Israel)
26.04.1981 MiG-21MF (Syria) - 1 x A-4E (Israel)
26.04.1981 MiG-23MS (Syria) - 1 x A-4E (Israel)
1.05.1982 Sea Harrier FRS Mk1 (Royal Navy) - 1 x A-4 (Argentina)
21.05.1982 Sea Harrier FRS Mk1 (Royal Navy) - 4 x A-4 (Argentina)
8.06.1982 Sea Harrier FRS Mk1 (Royal Navy) - 3 x A-4 (Argentina)


F-100 Super Sabre


Air victories : 1

4.04.1965 F-100D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-17 (Vietnam)

Losses in air to air combat : 2

01.1983 Mirage F1EQ (Irak) - 2 x F-100 (Turkey)
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