Is very common that pro palestinians discredit pro israelis and viceversa. But this has to stop, if everytime somebody shows a picture of whatever
regarding the middle east conflict, can have the problem of "ohh what a nice photoshop work", but then what kind of picture or from where do you
want it to not say is propaganda?
Do u think Zionists are not using propaganda?
Even america does it, but wait, maybe the palestinian security agency did it, or maybe all the pc specialists that Palestine has....
Dude stop it, as well as u say that we go to far, u are crossing the same line, talking like that about arabs,
anyway if u feel so disturbed about the propaganda of the arabs in their news (that i see and understand) i won´t mention a lot that American, and
european propaganda were much worst in that period of time.
I can assure 100%, I even have family, i know what i am telling you, and i have access to those channels daily, as much as i understand them, and not
only that, i am not muslim, and i don´t like religions and i don´t believe in god. NONE OF THEM.
And i see that the arab world is just trying all the time to see the conflict as it is and not as the world is showing to the public, what is very
funny is the hypocrisy of the non-arab people telling what is good for them and what is not, is like egypt going now to Italy and criticise the
society, how people lives, the goverment, everything, because they don´t like how the live their lifes...
All the world talks about them as the crazy, the sucide bombers, the fanatics, extremists, when they just see themselves living in a muslim country,
believe me, i´ve been in some of them, is not like the media shows, i mean of course they live in poverty, but still they are satisfied, they REALLY
BELIEVE IN THE QUORAN, they don´t need Hamas people to tell them how or when to believe, 99% of them are muslim, and this religion is very strict
against SIN, therefor was the last one of the 3, in the quoran mentions that GOD tries it 3 times with his creation, and the first 2 failed.
He came out with the 3rd, therefor u read about the bible, and the torah inside the quoran, but u can´t do that from the bible or the torah, if u know
what i mean.
In the quoran talks about jews in a different way, is not anti-jew, but suposely God tried to put order, and make the definitive mandkind with the
religion, but due to what happend with moises, and many more things, he gave up, then the christians, and then muslims.
Muslim are feeling therefor that they are more right than other, and therefor they won´t accept any order of the outside world regarding religion
faith or believe.
U have to keep in mind, that they are all feeling attacked, that the attack is against the religion and not agaisnt terrorists. Everybody in the world
talks about them, decides for them, but nobody understand THEM.
Keep in mind last thing, the palestinian conflict has a huge problem, which is AL Quds, the 2nd holiest place on earth for any Muslim or Islam
Guess where is that place, and what happened to it, how the intifada started and why.
Or even read the provocations your own
But anyway, i am not asking you anymore to understand muslims or arab world, u seem to not like to do that and only understand the Zionists and
Israeli position. Ok let´s try some of this:
Mycroft, with the knowledge u seem to have
those books must be obiously important and relevant.
The Jewish State
Holy and the Profane: Evolution of Jewish Folkways
Passover, Its History and Traditions
Theodor Herzl: Journalistic Stories Feuilletons
Dead Sea Scriptures
Diaries of Theodor Herzl
The Jews' State: A Critical English Translation
And not just those books, if u like u can tell me which one have u read, and we can talk about it, also i´d like to know what is your opinion about
Do you know what happened in Basle?
Herzl's ideas were met with enthusiasm by the Jewish masses in Eastern Europe, although Jewish leaders were less ardent. Herzl appealed to wealthy
Jews such as Baron Hirsch and Baron Rothschild, to join the national Zionist movement, but in vain. He then appealed to the people, and the result was
the convening of the First Zionist Congress in Basle, Switzerland, on August 2931, 1897.
The Congress was the first interterritorial gathering of Jews on a national and secular basis. Here the delegates adopted the Basle Program, the
program of the Zionist movement, and declared “Zionism seeks to establish a home for the Jewish people in Palestine secured under public law.” At the
Congress the World Zionist Organization was established as the political arm of the Jewish people, and Herzl was elected its first president.
Maybe you should tell some more about these people, organization and Rabbis to everybody here, since you know so much about jews
And please keep in mind that i read most of that, so don´t even try ....
[Edited on 29-8-2003 by CoLD aNGeR]