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The Insurgents in Iraq Are "losing steam", Condoleezza Rice.

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posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 09:58 AM
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US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in an interview released overnight that the insurgency in Iraq is "losing steam" while "rather quiet political progress" remains on track there.

Those developments augur well, she said, for the future of democracy in Iraq, despite an entrenched insurgency.
"If you think about how to defeat an insurgency, you defeat it not just militarily but politically," Dr Rice said in an interview.

"It's a lot easier to see the violence and suicide bombing than to see the rather quiet political progress that's going on in parallel," she said.

"I do think the insurgency has a problem, which is that as the political process matures and the Iraqis every day accept the political process as their future, (the insurgents) become more and more isolated from the population and they become nothing but a destructive force," said Dr Rice.

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It's pretty hard to kill thousands of termites (read insurgents) with a sledgehammer. They are like a cancer.

You can't put a needle here or there hoping that that will cure the problem. That is why there is chemotherapy, radiotherapy and surgery.

I hope this analogy makes sense.

Sanc'.




posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 10:14 AM
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She is delusional, just like Rumsfeld, Bush, Delay, Coulter etc...

The first seven days of this month has seen 33 US deaths. The insurgency is not losing steam in terms of attacks on US troops.

If you want to loook at political events, there's problems there too.
Iraqi police shot at Iraqi protesters today, wounding forty and killing one.
They were protesting because of the lack of water and electricity.
Reuters

There are also issues with the Kurds and Sunnis over a federal state for the Kurds. Sunnis spurn Kurd demands

It's not doomed to fail but there are still major problems and I don't agree with her assesment about the insurgency losing steam.



posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 10:21 AM
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She's as accurate as she is attractive. And that's all I have to say about that.



posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by CyberianHusky
She's as accurate as she is attractive. And that's all I have to say about that.



Don't forget Cheney's "in the last throes" comment. I guess each person has a tag line they're supposed to sell to the public. This way, we'll be more willing to just wait it out a li-i-i-ittle bit longer.

Why am I craving steamed rice?



posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 11:21 AM
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"Losing Steam" hahahahahaha

If the Iraqi insurgency were losing steam we'd start to hear talks of
US troops being scaled down..not reports of casualties.
Im sorry people, but when an employer wants to hire a prospective
what do they do? Simply take their WORD for it that they're knowledgeable
within the scope of the area they're being considered for? When an
investor considers investment within do they NOT research the prospectus
on said orginization? NO! They want the numbers...they want the history!
Condaleeza Rice I say youre a moron...and you want to convince me of
ANYTHING at all, get on with facts and specifics...dont talk to us and expect
us to take youre word for anything! I want numbers!

As a side note, Mz. Rice Ive always been curious, you related to Lewinskys
by chance?



posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 11:22 AM
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[sarcastic] I guess she hasn't seen one of the latest videos released by insurgents. [/sarcastic]

Attack on USMC sniper team : warning : contains graphic scenes of death

Windows Media format

At the end, it supposedly shows the addition to their weapons cache as a result of this attack. Various explosive devices, multiple sniper rifles, plenty of ammo, night-vision equip, and more.

Looks to me that they're going to be well equipped for the next attack or two.

It is a sad state of affairs to say the least, with no clear end in sight.

How can people such as Rice stand there making these ridiculous statements when it is clearly a no-win situation, just as was the case in Viet Nam?

Here is a good example of the folks we are up against:

Oddly the story has been removed from the site (www.pushhamburger.com/death.htm), but not before I had a chance to print it.

Here it is:

In Gaza, the mother of a Palestinian suicide attacker who killed two Israelis before being shot dead has spoken of her feelings about her son's actions.

A video released by Hamas shows a proud mother taking up arms beside her favorite son.

First a warm embrace, then a loving kiss.

Naima al-Obeid was saying goodbye to her 23-year-old Mahmoud, a college student on his way to carry out a suicide attack.

"God willing you will succeed," she says.

"May every bullet hit its target, and may God give you martyrdom. This is the best day of my life."

Mahmoud says: "Thank you for raising me."

Naima got her wish.

Mahmoud was shot dead attacking the Jewish settlement of Dugit in the Gaza Strip on Saturday.

Deaths celebrated

Two Israeli soldiers were killed in the ambush.

Their deaths are being celebrated near Mahmoud's home.


We found crowds coming to the mourning tent - and not just because of him.

People here aren't just remembering Mahmoud - they are honouring his mother.

She has become a heroine, being talked about on the streets, praised in the local papers.

Some Palestinians are taking a great deal of pride in a mother who saw her son go to kill and die without shedding a tear.

They are already saying she will inspire other women to do the same.

Heaven and hell

In her home, in Gaza, she showed me pictures of the son she calls "my heart".

She had no sympathy for the dead Israelis, no regrets over the loss of her own son.

"Nobody wants their son to be killed. I always wanted him to have a good life.

"But our land is occupied by the Israelis. We're sacrificing our sons to get our freedom," she told me.

I asked her if it mattered whether her son killed women and children.

"The women and children are also Jews," she said, "They're all the same for me.

"And I want to tell Jewish mothers - take your children and run from here because you will never be safe. We believe our sons go to heaven when they are martyred. When your sons die they go to hell."

Naima is surrounded by well-wishers, no one asking why she gave her son a licence to kill.

She has nine more children, whom, she says, all have a duty to fight the Israeli occupation.

Hamas Claims Jerusalem Suicide Bombing

The bomber's father said Hamas directed his son.

Hazaa al-Ghoul told Reuters he received a telephone call from a Hamas official to inform him that his son, Mohammed al-Ghoul, carried out the attack. The bomber killed 19 people on the bus crowded with schoolchildren and office workers.

Mohammed al-Ghoul was a student of Islamic studies at al-Najah University in the West Bank city of Nablus. He had apparently disappeared about three days ago. His father told Reuters from his home in the al-Fara refugee camp, near Nablus, that he was "very happy" to hear that his son was the bomber.

Hamas did not issue a written claim of responsibility for the bombing, the latest in a string of suicide attacks against Israelis since a Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation began in September 2000 after peace talks deadlocked.



Yes, I do realize this story concerns the Israeli/Palestinian situation, but it seems to mirror the sentiment of the situation in Iraq as well.

You can remove a government, defeat a military, and even take over a country/nation, but how in H can you expect to [defeat] the mindset, morality, and soul of the populous?






[edit on 7-8-2005 by 12m8keall2c]

[edit on 7-8-2005 by 12m8keall2c]



posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 12:01 PM
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If the terrorist agree's with Condi why can't you?

From the article on Condis comments,


"I do think the insurgency has a problem, which is that as the political process matures and the Iraqis every day accept the political process as their future, (the insurgents) become more and more isolated from the population and they become nothing but a destructive force," said Dr Rice.



The terrorists comments in captured letter purportedly to Zarqawi,


The letter writer said that collaboration among insurgent leaders is lacking and that "Muslim money" was being squandered on "petty expenses, cars and phones."

He also wrote that "foreign fighters endure 'deplorable' conditions, including lack of pay, housing problems and marginalization."


CNN


Isolated and marginalized essentially mean the same thing afterall. Who are we to disagree with someone who knows from direct experience whats going on on the ground.


Condi just told it like it was.



posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix
Who are we to disagree with someone who knows from direct experience whats going on on the ground.


Condi just told it like it was.


That's some good sarcasm, Phoenix


Sanc'.



posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 03:35 PM
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You people realy do spend hours on the internet to find anything to complain about or bash, dont you...

and the stuff is always on noname sites with all kinds of adds on them.... hmmmm

[edit on 7-8-2005 by C0le]


cjf

posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by C0le
You people realy do spend hours on the internet to find anything to complain about or bash, dont you...

and the stuff is always on noname sites with all kinds of adds on them.... hmmmm


There are far more atrocities in this world worth paying attention to than picking on the one who is placed upon the ‘front page’ or the one that is thrown in ‘front of your face’. Unfortunately, that is just too easy for most. I appreciate hearing people speak of pro-US propaganda as a ‘bad thing’ when anti-US propaganda has rampantly been around free-flow for decades; one can truly see the effects it has had.

BTW, more people died last month for lack of potable water than in Iraq since the invasion.



The United Nations says more than 1.1 billion people around the world lack safe water and 2.4 billion have no access to sanitation, leading to over 3 million deaths every year.
Link to AP article



posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 05:33 PM
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Um, good tactic. When you tell a lie, tell the biggest whoppingest one you can think of, totally contrary to actual reality.

Despite heightened attacks, despite increasing numbers of deaths, they're losing steam. We're winning, yay!

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posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 06:45 PM
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I guess Rumsfeld credibility is none existent when it comes with his assumptions of reality in the middle east.

Now they have to switch to Condi to do the assumptions so the American public feel better about the dangers of our soldiers in Iraq.

I was just having a conversation with my husband about the drive of the people in the middle east and what keep them motivated.

Perhaps the though that is their land the one that has been taken over that alone motivates them to die for their cause.

Another thing, why they are so successful in their way of attacks is due to the fact that you don't need training to strap a bomb to your body and set it up.


How can you fight such determination?



posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043

How can you fight such determination?



By marginalizing them of course! Pardon the pun just could not resist


But that is exactly the point Iraq has a real problem with illegal aliens blowing themselves up around native Iraqi families and they are getting sick of it.

The CNN story I linked to earlier is a good example of the problems now experienced by the foreign terrorists in Iraq.

Its interesting to me that virtually the same message can be had from such disparate sources.



posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 07:10 PM
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I tell you what the situation in the middle east is not going to end anytime soon, be "insurgents" "terrorist" "Iraqi born" or "Foreigners" they are successful at targeting our soldiers or civilians.

And that is the point, how much longer will the population of Iraq will get fed up with the US intervention in their land and private companies working with foreign workers while their own gets blown up by fellow Arabs in a mission from "Allah"

Is a game and I blame anybody involve.



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 04:19 AM
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I can't remember anymore how many times members of the Bush administration or the army have said the insurgents "have been losing steam", "have been in their last throes" or the all time favorite and most frequently used "are getting increasingly desperate".



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by Simon666
I can't remember anymore how many times members of the Bush administration or the army have said the insurgents "have been losing steam", "have been in their last throes" or the all time favorite and most frequently used "are getting increasingly desperate".



And I can't remember how many times the MSM and its syncophants have declared "the sky is falling" in relation to Iraqi operations.

The truth must exist somewhere between the two opposing views.



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 05:31 AM
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If American service men wernt coming home in body bags the Bush admin would be the laughing stock of the Whitehouse , some kind of comedy routine.
What did the Bush admin expect the welcome mat to be layed out for GIs in Iraq?
Sadly any one spoke common sense before gulf war 2 was fired by Rumsfeld.
How can anybody support the Bush admin?

Any creditablity the Bush admin had left went up in a sand storm when contracts were handed to Hailburton on a platter.



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by Phoenix

Originally posted by marg6043

How can you fight such determination?



By marginalizing them of course! Pardon the pun just could not resist


But that is exactly the point Iraq has a real problem with illegal aliens blowing themselves up around native Iraqi families and they are getting sick of it.

The CNN story I linked to earlier is a good example of the problems now experienced by the foreign terrorists in Iraq.

Its interesting to me that virtually the same message can be had from such disparate sources.




OK, lets say you are right, and I am inclined to agree with you on some of it. However, the real fact is those aliens are there because AMERICA is there - America is the root cause, and to not accept that leaves people searching for another answer when there isn't any.

This entire mess is a result of American incursion into a foriegn land(s), and native people not wanting it. Stop just saying it is "their" fault, and start to look at your own actions.

Rice, is a diplorable "lady", and I use the term losely, who should be taken out back and shown what she has sold out in the name of power.

Power corrupts, absolute power - absolutely!!



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 09:11 PM
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Insurgents losing steam? I wonder why a woman in her position would say something like that?
As of three weeks ago there are more attacks in Iraq than at any time before (35 suicide bombings a month compared with 4 at the start of the occupation) is what the Independent newspaper said.
So I guess with all that bombing i guess they really must be running out of steam, or should I say recruits instead?
Or are they? Now with more bombings than ever there has been talk of cutting down our troop deployments (a voice in my head just said something about "getting the job done") but anyway, the problem is that the forces are not on their way out and until they go every mad man wanting to blow up Americans will not to go out of the middle east but just visit AhWreck instead where there are plenty of buddies waiting. We are doing more harm than good is what the majority of Iraqis are saying, and in a democracy i would listen, shame our puppet government doesn't.



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 09:20 PM
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So what do you have to add to the subject matter? Would you have more to say if it were Rummy that made the Insurgent Fizzle comments?

Dallas



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