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Elusive sniper saps US morale in Baghdad

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posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 11:42 AM
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They have never seen Juba. They hear him, but by then it's too late: a shot rings out and another US soldier slumps dead or wounded.



There is never a follow-up shot, never a chance for US forces to identify the origin, to make the hunter the hunted. He fires once and vanishes.

Juba is the nickname given by American forces to an insurgent sniper operating in southern Baghdad. They do not know his appearance, nationality or real name, but they know and fear his skill.

"He's good," said Specialist Travis Burress, 22, a sniper with the 1-64 battalion based in Camp Rustamiyah. "Every time we dismount I'm sure everyone has got him in the back of their minds. He's a serious threat to us."

In a war marked by sectarian bombings and civilian casualties, Juba is unusual in targeting only coalition troops, a difficult quarry protected by armoured vehicles, body armour and helmets.

He waits for soldiers to dismount, or stand up in a Humvee turret, and aims for gaps in their body armour, the lower spine, ribs or above the chest. He has killed from 200 metres away.

Some worry that Juba is on his way to becoming a resistance hero, acclaimed by those Iraqis who distinguish between "good" insurgents, who target only Americans, and "bad" insurgents who harm civilians.

"We are professionals. There is a line between a maniac with a gun and a sniper," said Mike, 31, a corporal with a reconnaissance sniper platoon who did not want to his surname to be used.

Source:
Guardian Unlimited

It's War downthere in Iraq and every War has it's Heroes. Apparently this Elusive Sniper called Juba Targets only Coalition Soldiers, which makes him a Hero in the Eyes of the Iraqi People that support Insurgency. I understand that most of the people, who are going to replay to this post, are going to be enraged and angered by this Article, becaue this Sniper is outhere to Shoot and Kill Coalition Troops, and some people look at him as a Hero. To clear things up Ahead - I am not one of these people.

When I was reading this Article I remembered the Movie "Enemy at the Gates" where in Stalingrad a Famous Russian Sniper was "Born" in Urban Combat. And in order to Remove it, the German Army had to send their Best Sniper to Find him and Kill him. Kind of the same situation here in Baghdad (I hope People won't minde the Comparison to the German Occupation of Stalingrad - I just used it, because I find the situation similar, regarding the sniper) - to send a sniper to get a sniper. But there is a thin line between a maniac with a gun and a sniper. So what to do here? Send a Maniac to get the Maniac?

[edit on 6/8/05 by Souljah]




posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 11:51 AM
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2 kills 6 wounded.
He's not THAT good. Otherwise it would be 8 kills.
Now that it's a "story"..he won't last long.
Report back in a month, thank you.

You must be so proud.

[edit on 6-8-2005 by spacedoubt]



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 11:52 AM
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I'm just terribly saddened for the soldiers over there. Can you imagine the guts it would take to just walk around wherever this guy is? Something tells me that this is only the first one. This will spread.

As far as the morality, my only judgment is that it's war. It's guerilla warfare. That's how it's done. It's all terrible. I must say though, at least he's not killing innocents. But still... Ugh! Awful.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 11:54 AM
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whats that sniper motto?

one shot, one kill?


AWP for the win!



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by spacedoubt
You must be so proud.

2 kills 6 wounded.
He's not THAT good. Otherwise it would be 8 kills.
Now that it's a "story"..he won't last long.
Report back in a month, thank you.

As I said in the post itself - I am not Proud of this guy and he is no Hero of mine.

I was only posting a Story from War in Iraq - why did you have to Attack me First, and then comment the story?

Anyway, I think the idea of a Sniper in Action is Scary and very bad for Morale.

I remember when Serb Snipers were killing everybody in the Siege of Sarajevo - men, women, children, everybody that was in the streets, just to lower the Morale of Bosnian fighters in Sarajevo.

But maybe he is "the Good Sniper" in sense that he is not acting like that Serbian Snipers that just killed everything that moves.

Just my Opinion.


EDIT: I see you have put the Comments regarding me at the end. How Nice. One More thought - maybe this guy does not wan't to kill Coalition Troops, but just send them away with a Fatal Injury?

[edit on 6/8/05 by Souljah]



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 11:58 AM
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Good article




In a war marked by sectarian bombings and civilian casualties, Juba is unusual in targeting only coalition troops

Well at least someone on the "resistance" (insurgency) side is playing by the rules.

Seriousy though....good find. Like two paragraphs down I was thinking the samething....Enemy at the Gates. I find it fascinating at how some people can shoot like this....amazing. A true science, IMO.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 11:59 AM
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He will be dead soon enough, but the fact that he only targets coalition troops is a step up from the slime who murder innocent civilians with suicide bombs.

And rather or not he killed 2 and wounded 6 doesnt realy matter, as any way you look at it 8 people are no longer on the battlefield.

[edit on 6-8-2005 by C0le]



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 12:02 PM
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I have been reading about this for a bit. Juba is already a hero to some, and the Occupying forces have plenty of reasons to worry.

Unlike the C.I.A ops who are going around blowing up civillians trying to spark a civil war, Juba is doing what under international law is completely legal -targetting Military personel. They can not put a spin on this so they are trying hard as heil to find him. Sometimes deploying multiple snipers at a time, and still not catching him.

Also, snipers especially unnerve troops, as they know there is nothing they can do to prevent an attack. Couple this with the fact that soldiers are usually very "macho" men, who confront problems in the open through force, and you get a serious drop in morale.

Besides the psychological ramifications to the troops a sniper on the loose sends a message to the people. Imagine if they had ten twenty or one hundred Jubas? We would of been gone a long time ago.

Oh yeah and the figures are being shaved, Juba is thought to be responsible for 12-36 deaths.

[edit on 6-8-2005 by phoenixhasrisin]

[edit on 6-8-2005 by phoenixhasrisin]



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 12:04 PM
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I was going to make this a thread ages ago but forgot. Remembered this link when i noticed this thread.

The chilling toll of Allah's sniper

very in depth.



WITH elbows bandaged and knees padded for comfort, Abu Othman lay face down on a Ramadi rooftop and cradled his Russian-made sniper rifle as he waited for the tall American soldier to appear.

The soldier’s habit of urinating into the street from the top of his Bradley armoured vehicle had angered Sunni Muslim inhabitants of the tree-lined suburb he patrolled. It was not the urinating as such that offended them; it was the way he exposed himself regardless of whether any women were around to see him.

In the end an old man came forward to demand his death. He complained to insurgents that the soldier had strafed his street, destroying several cars and a trailer at a cost of thousands of dollars.

The insurgents responded by firing a rocket-propelled grenade at the Bradley. It missed. A few days later they tried to blow up the vehicle with a Russian C5K missile. The missile missed, too. That was when they sent for Abu Othman.

It was a long, hot wait that summer’s day on the rooftop. Abu Othman was glad of his headphones. He played his favourite verses from the Koran and their soothing flow cleared his mind, infusing him with a determination to see through the assignment, come what may. He prayed for God to deliver his target.

“Then the call came on my mobile phone, informing me that the soldier and his vehicle were finally heading my way,” he said.

“The moment finally arrived. The Bradley stopped and the soldier stood on it ready to relieve himself. He was relaxed. He put his hand on his trousers. I took aim and fired one shot and saw him drop dead.”


Part I found interesting:



For months his entertainment included shooting games on his PlayStation. He believes they sharpened his senses. His favourite films included Enemy at the Gates, starring Jude Law as a sniper, and JFK, Oliver Stone’s re-creation of the assassination of John F Kennedy.


That paragraph alone would blow away any typical forum members misconceptions about Iraqis in general.

[edit on 6-8-2005 by cargo]



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by SportyMB
Well at least someone on the "resistance" (insurgency) side is playing by the rules.

Must be a Lonely Case in Baghdad - since the "No Rules" Rule is Applaying in this war.



Seriousy though....good find. Like two paragraphs down I was thinking the samething....Enemy at the Gates. I find it fascinating at how some people can shoot like this....amazing. A true science, IMO.

Well I never understood Snipers - I think it's a very Personal Situation, not like the other forms of Combat. Here you actually see the Soldier you are about to kill almost in his eyes, and I belive that Snipers must have a really strong mind, not to crack when all the images of people he has shot and killed haunt him in his nightmares - becaues they do.

I also remembered the Sniper from Saving Private Ryan - he was a very Religious guy and has asked for forgiveness with every shot that he made. Maybe he is like that also - very Religous.

[edit on 6/8/05 by Souljah]



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by spacedoubt
You must be so proud.

2 kills 6 wounded.
He's not THAT good. Otherwise it would be 8 kills.
Now that it's a "story"..he won't last long.
Report back in a month, thank you.

As I said in the post itself - I am not Proud of this guy and he is no Hero of mine.

I was only posting a Story from War in Iraq - why did you have to Attack me First, and then comment the story?


[edit on 6/8/05 by Souljah]


There, I fixed it. Story first, then you.
I made the comment, because you are a subtle propagandist.
You post something like this, then cry about being attacked.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by spacedoubt
There, I fixed it. Story first, then you.
I made the comment, because you are a subtle propagandist.
You post something like this, then cry about being attacked.

I have seen that change before.

Why don't you go and attack the newspaper Guardian that has written this Article in the first place? I am sure you can write an email and outrage how they are spreading Propaganda.

But it's easier to "kill the messenjah" right?



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by spacedoubt
I made the comment, because you are a subtle propagandist.
You post something like this, then cry about being attacked.


Posting this article wasn't any more propaganda than most all other topics in this forum. Journalism isn't propoganda, either, unless all you want to hear are things that confirm your personal beliefs. In that case, then yeah, I suppose much factual information is simply "propoganda" because you don't want to hear it.

Thanks for the info, SoulJah.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 12:35 PM
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There you go.
Just what I said. Passive aggressive. Woe is me..
You posted it here. So I reacted here.


But Last time I checked, it is proper to reply to posts on this board as well.
It would be a bit time consuming to reply to every source here.
But I just may send something to the "Guardian" as well..

Carry on Souljah!

[edit on 6-8-2005 by spacedoubt]



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by spacedoubt
I made the comment, because you are a subtle propagandist.
You post something like this, then cry about being attacked.


Posting this article wasn't any more propaganda than most all other topics in this forum. Journalism isn't propoganda, either, unless all you want to hear are things that confirm your personal beliefs. In that case, then yeah, I suppose much factual information is simply "propoganda" because you don't want to hear it.


I know a tad about Journalism, ok, maybe more than a Tad, a MegaTad....Trust me..Journalism, at least these days
is TOTAL propaganda.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 12:54 PM
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Interesting story. I think it's funny how people love snipers when they're on their side, but fear and loathe them on the other side. The enemy sniper, of course, is evil and cowardly, but YOUR country's sniper is righteous and honorable.



Abu Othman said he had eventually resumed hunting. “You went back to hunting birds?” I asked.

“Hunting soldiers — Americans and Iraqis,” he replied.

What drove him to keep killing? “When I snipe at my target and watch him drop, I feel elated — dizzy with ecstasy. I fall on the ground, shouting to God, calling Allahu akbar, for God is indeed great,” he said. “When their snipers kill one of us, we go to heaven as martyrs, but when we kill them they go to hell.”

Asked how he distinguished between his feelings towards American and Iraqi targets, he did not hesitate. “An American kill is more fulfilling than an Iraqi. I am certain it is right and justified. Sometimes I feel a tinge of sadness for the Iraqi, but then I remind myself that by working with the Americans, he is forsaking his religion.”

I find it hard to get excited about this due to the sheer hyprocacy of it all. We drive into a country uninvited (after sanctions killed thousands of kids and poor people) and then get surprised when we get shot at.

Good thread tho', I expect it to be entertaining.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 01:05 PM
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Propaganda? Hardly, it's just simply news with the members own opinion of the situation embowered in an scenerio he/she remembers from another war.

It's an interesting situation, and has a atmosphere of mystery and wonderment.

Luxifero



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 01:16 PM
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I have seen this before, especially about the guy who watched Enemy at the Gates and played Playstation. I actually read it in the Gaurdian. It was quite something! But I'm not sure that this "Juba" and the man they mentioned[Gaurdian] are one and the same. Does anybody know for sure?



Besides the psychological ramifications to the troops a sniper on the loose sends a message to the people. Imagine if they had ten twenty or one hundred Jubas? We would of been gone a long time ago.

Proper Intelligence! To seek and destroy snipers, you need intelligence from the ground. A sniper is a one man army, always alone[actually there is also a spotter but they usually dont show that in the movies! ] he has to eat, get ammo and scout for vantage points. For all this he needs local help, without local help he cannot be effective.
IMHO we should call in MOSSAD and get them to locate this sniper, it would be easy as hell for them, they look like arabs, speak arabic and know all the tricks of these fundamentalists. I would give them 2 weeks before they find this sniper and make him look down the wrong end of a gun. But they migh recruit him also if they think he is valuable, so that is also a probability!
IF this sniper is working alone then i would guess it would be difficult to track him but if he had regular contact with civilians then it would be easier to track him.
About psychological ramifications, I doubt it would seriously cripple american morale but it would be a concern everytime they went out. I heard that during the initial war in Iraq they had 24/7 satellite recon so any such sniping incidents they would send for IR immagery of the location and get the sniper. Some of them even wore thermal protective blankets but they were able to identify them as well. I dont know if they use this now, as all major hostilites have ended.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 01:18 PM
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souljah, spare us the crap. you know why you offend people, you have an extreme bias. you come here to provoke people.

you scan the web for anti US propanganda, then hurry over here in a lather of contempt just to see what kind of reaction you'll get

you don't make me angry, I pity you


such a sad life, needing attention from internet strangers



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by IAF101
About psychological ramifications, I doubt it would seriously cripple american morale but it would be a concern everytime they went out. I heard that during the initial war in Iraq they had 24/7 satellite recon so any such sniping incidents they would send for IR immagery of the location and get the sniper. Some of them even wore thermal protective blankets but they were able to identify them as well. I dont know if they use this now, as all major hostilites have ended.


I do not think Juba and the one in the Guardian are one and the same. I can not say for sure though. The Army seems to have a particular problem with this guy, for the very reason that they can not find him, nor flush him out.

He refuses to EVER take a second shot, all attempts have failed, he stays true to the one shot theory. The fact that he has injured a couple suggest he is an ordinary citizen.

Believe me a sniper is a drain on morale as it is, and when our boys know that all our fancy technology can't find him, that does make them start to worry. It is another stress in a world of stressful situations, all actions in war are designed to push the human mind to snap, and submit. The very act of war itself is trying to get a nation people or will to break, and submit...death is just the by-product.




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