NEWS: Blair Wants Islamic Politcal Parties Banned

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
mhmm.

Does any of this ring a bell anyone?

It's only a matter of time before they start putting muslims in concentration camps.

A) My country may have done that 100 years ago but not now.
B) My country does not believe in that.
C) Bad cheap dig at the UK)

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
mhmm.

Does any of this ring a bell anyone?

It's only a matter of time before they start putting muslims in concentration camps.

A) My country may have done that 100 years ago but not now.
B) My country does not believe in that.
C) Bad cheap dig at the UK)

A) The only major difference between the Prison the House of Lords removed and Concentration Camps was the fact we didn't work them. (Remember difference between Extermination and Concentration Camps.)

B) Doesn't matter what the country thinks, but the ruling Elite and Government.

C) It was a bit low, but it has a point.

Originally posted by Odium
A) The only major difference between the Prison the House of Lords removed and Concentration Camps was the fact we didn't work them. (Remember difference between Extermination and Concentration Camps.)

A)The prison the house of lords removed?

B) Doesn't matter what the country thinks, but the ruling Elite and Government.

B)The country directly affects the ruling elite, why? Because the house of lords doesnt control us.

C) It was a bit low, but it has a point.

C) What point? My country doesnt use concentration camps....that is not what we do....why? because thats against what we ( the UK ) stand for.

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

A) Law Lords rather. (But the House of Lords had them look into it and got involved).
Belmarsh prison - remember?

B) Really? They are the second level of the House and they are still unelected. Remember in 2003 the reform Bill was beat. New peers are created by appointment from the House and the Labour Government still has to get the Bill through the House of Commons in this next session.

C) Says who? You? The people? The unarmed population of our Country? You seem to forget it is the House of Lords, Law Lords and House of Commons which have the major say. Most of which are corrupt already.

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
mhmm.

Does any of this ring a bell anyone?

It's only a matter of time before they start putting muslims in concentration camps.

Who's fault is that syrian?, Its the muslim extremists who wont say enough is enough. You want to be anti-social parasites thats your perogative, but dont whine and complain because your treated 'badly', and i think concentration camps is a little melodramatic, deportation back to the middle east sounds good to me though

Originally posted by Odium
A) Law Lords rather. (But the House of Lords had them look into it and got involved).
Belmarsh prison - remember?

11 people held under terror laws, why? Because people thought they where terrorists or had links to, is that really a concentration camp?

B) Really? They are the second level of the House and they are still unelected. Remember in 2003 the reform Bill was beat. New peers are created by appointment from the House and the Labour Government still has to get the Bill through the House of Commons in this next session.

The queen picks them to have her say in the laws, the house of commons is the peoples area.
The house of lords can only stop an act comeing into play for 2 years.

C) Says who? You? The people? The unarmed population of our Country? You seem to forget it is the House of Lords, Law Lords and House of Commons which have the major say. Most of which are corrupt already.

Unarmed?
www.nsc-bisley.co.uk...
We have the home of shooting, it is hardly unarmed.
Civilians can own firearms, they are not unarmed, THAT is ignorance.

Originally posted by Odium

B) Really? They are the second level of the House and they are still unelected. Remember in 2003 the reform Bill was beat. New peers are created by appointment from the House and the Labour Government still has to get the Bill through the House of Commons in this next session.

Even after the reform bill goes through, they will still be unelected. This govt. does not want an elected second house overseeing its affairs.

A) If they were worked, there would be no major difference. They were holding people, without trial, who they decided were guilty of crimes. Remember that early in Nazi Germany they did this to Communist and Jewish "terrorists" before they moved on to the majority of them.

B) Peoples area? Oh please... come on DevilWasp you are smarter then that. Big business funds every major party and is slowly sharing money equally among each party. If it was the "peoples area" they would run without a party and run for the public and the constituency which they are from and not a party-line.

The Lord Chancellor also has a large say in the Lower-Level Judges and in some respects even in the Law Lords. After all, they need to have been a judge in the lower courts before they can advance. Again selected by the Government as the Queen is primarily a mouth-piece.

If the HoL votes against a Bill it gets sent back to the HoC to be ammended.

Source: The English Legal System by Jacueline Martin.

C) www.met.police.uk...

And like the weapons we can own could stand up to the Military/Government or even the Police Force.

...come on.

[edit on 7/8/2005 by Odium]

Originally posted by Odium
A) If they were worked, there would be no major difference. They were holding people, without trial, who they decided were guilty of crimes. Remember that early in Nazi Germany they did this to Communist and Jewish "terrorists" before they moved on to the majority of them.

Nazi's in 1930's and 20's germany also killed comunists many a time, we dont do that.

B) Peoples area? Oh please... come on DevilWasp you are smarter then that. Big business funds every major party and is slowly sharing money equally among each party. If it was the "peoples area" they would run without a party and run for the public and the constituency which they are from and not a party-line.

No because the way democracy works or more to be precise the way the voting works in the house of lords works on a majority win, they group togther when they share opinions and views, if you HAD noticed that most dont always agree with the party veiw.

The Lord Chancellor also has a large say in the Lower-Level Judges and in some respects even in the Law Lords. After all, they need to have been a judge in the lower courts before they can advance. Again selected by the Government as the Queen is primarily a mouth-piece.

A mouth piece?

If the HoL votes against a Bill it gets sent back to the HoC to be ammended.

No it gets knocked back, if they want the bill enforced IT WILL BE enforced, why?
The Parliament Act 1911 and 1949.
They can only delay it for 1 year.

C) www.met.police.uk...

And like the weapons we can own could stand up to the Military/Government or even the Police Force.

...come on.

[edit on 7/8/2005 by Odium]

Oh really?
The military are people and will not repeat another bloody sunday..
Also, 7.62 rilfes are legal, a 7.62 rifle can kill up to and includeing 1000 metres. How do I know this? Because I've fired the weapon.
The army uses SA-80A2 and the LSW as its main weapons.
Both 5.56. you can own a L98A1 Cadet GP which is the single shot version, it doesnt take much to change it to fully automatic or repetitive.

A) Not so sure. Already one "suspected" terrorist shot dead.

We'll see if that offer is allowed to work ever again or not.

B) Yes, a mount piece.
And how many times have those acts been enforced and used? Remember the Outcry when Blair used the Parliament Act to force Fox-Hunting ban through?

C) Really? But we'll be classed as terrorists now. You assume the Military won't follow orders or they'll split and join any sort of revolt if they began to attack muslims?

Already there has been a sixfold rise after the attacks on people assumed to be Muslims. If something major isn't done, we could easily end up going the same way.

Originally posted by Odium
A) Not so sure. Already one "suspected" terrorist shot dead.

We'll see if that offer is allowed to work ever again or not.

That debate has been done to death, if you mean executing people then no we dont do that in cold blood.

B) Yes, a mount piece.
And how many times have those acts been enforced and used? Remember the Outcry when Blair used the Parliament Act to force Fox-Hunting ban through?

A mouth peice no, she chooses who goes in house of lords.
Blair was elected by the people, he was right IMO.

C) Really? But we'll be classed as terrorists now. You assume the Military won't follow orders or they'll split and join any sort of revolt if they began to attack muslims?

Actually no, we have not preached hate.
Well I know I havent, talking about weapons isnt.
The military are not robots, only ignorants think that.

Already there has been a sixfold rise after the attacks on people assumed to be Muslims. If something major isn't done, we could easily end up going the same way.

Yeah and tell me have you seen a challenger mark 2 drive down your street? No the people in NI have and we havent seen them enforce a military government there.
The military does not shoot civilians, its against its law and against the laws of the country they are in which the army obeys...look it up if not sure.

Intrepid.

They don’t need to block out what their doing, there is such a thing as apathy. They’ve gotten away with a lot already, and this is only the beginning.

We are frogs, boiling slowly in water. Just wait and see.

Besides, you’ve already got people agreeing with the and giving justification for the idea of concentration camps, like Xphilesphan here 

Devilwasp

My country may have done that 100 years ago but not now

That’s news to me, you had concentration camps a 100 yrs ago? Well, that’s not what I was refering to when I said “ring a bell anyone” but hey , whatever suits you.


Xphilesphan

Who’s fault is it? who’s fault was it when the germans had concentration camps?
BLINDNESS
APATHY
IGNORANCE
BIGOTRY
And ofcource our little friends who burnt the rieghstag fire, CIA/SS-waffen/MOSSAD/MI6.

Are you getting this or am I speaking in code?

Odium

Exactly, and I don’t know if this happened in Britian too, but in the US and Australia, Citizens from German and Japanese backgrounds where sent to concentration camps. That’s whole families and their children in prison for the duration of the war.

I'm betting many of those who say "this will never happen", are going to be supporting the idea when it eventually does.

How many times will history repeat itself, before people wake up?

It is very interesting to read yet again how distorted some peoples views of Britain are.....from outside Britain! "hoodies banned" ? when ? Oh dear I'd better bin my kids hoodies quickly before they burn me at the stake or put me in a concentration camp. Hoodies were used to describe the dress code of troublesome youth gangs. People over reacted (as they always do ...sigh, when will people grow up) and started to say that the government wishes to ban hoodies.

There is growing call in this country for something to be done about people who spout forth violence and hatred towards the country and citizens of the country they live in. Especially when they have been given a place to live after fleeing oppression elsewhere.

Britain is far freerer now that it was 20 years ago. Crime is down, employment is almost full, education has improved dramatically, health has improved dramatically. You can't be free if you are poor, ill and a prisoner to high crime. Of course the hate Blair folks have a physcological problem. Their hatred is so intense that they feel oppressed which blinds them to what is actully going on all around them. The language they use is very telling.

The talk of Nazis and relating Blair to Hitler etc is offensive. If anything the extremist muslims (or extremist anythings for that matter but its muslims this year!) are the real Nazis. They are the ones who consider all non believers as irrelvant and not worthy of life just as the Nazis did about non aryans. I notice how the anti-Blairites conveniently forget to mention that moderate muslims are also calling for something to be done.

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Originally posted by Syrian Sister


That’s news to me, you had concentration camps a 100 yrs ago? Well, that’s not what I was refering to when I said “ring a bell anyone” but hey

, whatever suits you.

Yeah, we created them.
What exsactly where you reffering to?
Gulags?

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
And ofcource our little friends who burnt the rieghstag fire, CIA/SS-waffen/MOSSAD/MI6.

Are you getting this or am I speaking in code?

Just thought I'd clarify that the CIA wasnt formed until 1947. The Reichstag fire was in 1933. The CIA's predecessor was the OSS (Office of Strategic Services) but that too wasnt even created until June 1942. To be honest, the United States didnt have any intelligence agencies prior to 1942.

Edit: While im on my WW2 history lesson I might as well add that MOSSAD couldnt of possibly of pre-dated the creation of Israel in 1949. (MOSSAD founded December 1949).

The only intelligence agency you listed that was around at the time was MI6. Isnt that interesting

Originally posted by malcr
Of course the hate Blair folks have a physcological problem. Their hatred is so intense that they feel oppressed which blinds them to what is actully going on all around them. The language they use is very telling.

Thats the problem with sweeping generalisations. I dont like Blair but I am a recent convert to the "hate Blair folks". My problem is I dont like liars, if you class that as a psychological problem then fine.

My hatred of Blair is intense and its BECAUSE he is passing oppresive laws, my hatred is not the oppressing factor in my life. Its the RESULT of Blair's oppression.

[edit on 8/8/05 by subz]

Originally posted by subz
But the groups he wants banned are not terrorist organisations but British political parties.

Interesting.....

Hizb Ut Tahrir or HT is banned in many countries around the world.

Its website promotes racism and anti-Semitic hatred, calls suicide bombers martyrs, and urges Muslims to kill Jewish people. Its proclaimed goal is jihad against America and the overthrow of existing political regimes and their replacement with a Khilafah, a theocratic dictatorship based on the Shari'a.

...and Al-Muhajiroun is a more radical splinter group formed form Hizb al-Tahrir. It was notorious for its conference "The Magnificent 19", praising the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks.




[edit on 8-8-2005 by Riwka]

Originally posted by subz
Hizb ut-Tahrir and Al Muhajiroun are British Islamic political parties who denounced the recent London bombings

Really?

Syrian born radical Islamist Sheikh Omar bin Bakri Muhammad is the founder of the London branch of Hizb Al-Tahrir and of the organization "Jama'at Al-Muhajirun"

Bakri was taped saying that he had been “very happy” since the July 7 London bombings, which killed 52 people. After the second attacks, he described the bombers as the “fantastic four”.

While London reeled under attack, the teachers of extremism were celebrating — and a Sunday Times reporter was recording every word

Neither group is a political party, none of them stand in any form of elections. All they are, is a group just like Combat 18 (which is banned) If they were political parties, they wouldn't not of been banned. They are extremists groups that promote violence.

They are not political parties.

Originally posted by infinite

They are not political parties.

That is good information, thanks infinite.

list of UK political parties

A

A BEE C
Adam Lyal's Witchery Tour Party
Alliance for Green Socialism
Alliance Party of Northern Ireland
Alternative Party

B

British National Party
Britannia Party [The]

C

Chaos Party [The]
Christian Peoples Alliance
Church of the Militant Elvis Party
Common Good [The]
Community Action Party
Community Representatives Party
Communist Party of Britain
Community Alliance
Consensus [The]
Conservative And Unionist Party [The]
Co-operative Party [The]
Countryside Party [The]
Cymru Annibynnol \ Independent Wales Party

D

Democratic Party [The]
Democratic Unionist Party
Dorset Stop The War

E

England First Party
English Democrats Party
English Progressive and Liberty Party [The]
Englishindependenceparty.com
Esher Residents Association

F

Firefighters Against Cuts
First Democrat Party [The]
Freedom Party [The]
Free Scotland Party

G

Glossopdale Independent Party
Green Party [The]

H

Havering Residents Association
Hawkwell Residents
Henley Residents Group [The]
Highlands and Islands Alliance - Càirdeas

I

Idle Toad [The]
Imperial Party
Independent Kidderminster Hospital and Health Concern
Independent Green Voice
Independent Working Class Association
Iranian Civil Rights Committee

J

John Marek Independent Party

L

Labour Party [The]
Legalise Cannabis Alliance
Liberal Democrats
Liberal Party [The]
Ligali Party [The]
Local Education Action By Parents
Local Government Reform

M

Mebyon Kernow - The Party for Cornwall
Middlewich First
Molesey Residents Association
MP3 Party

N

N9S
National Democrats
National Front
Natural Law Party
New Party [The]
No Candidate Deserves My Vote!
Nork Residents' Association
Northern Ireland Women's Coalition
Northern Ireland Unionist Party

O

Official Monster Raving Loony Party [The]
Operation Christian Vote
Organisation of Free Democrats [The]

P

Pensioners Party (Scotland)
Pensioners Party
People Against Bureaucracy Action Group
People's Alliance [The]
Plaid Cymru- Party of Wales [The]
Plymouth Party [The]
Populist Party
Progressive Union Party of Northern Ireland
ProLife
Protect Rural Scotland Party

R

Real Democracy Party
Reform UK Party
Residents Associations of Epsom and Ewell
Respect - The Unity Coalition
Revolutionary Communist Party Britain (Marxist-Leninist)
Rochford District Residents
Rock 'n Roll Loony Party [The]

S

Save St John's Wood Adventure Playground
Scottish Green Party
Scottish Independence Party
Scottish National Party
Scottish Senior Citizens Unity Party [The]
Scottish Socialist Party
Scottish Unionist Party
SDLP (Social Democratic & Labour Party)
Sinn Fein
Social Justice Party
Socialist Alliance
Socialist Environmental Alliance
Socialist Labour Party
Socialist Party of Great Britain [The]
Socialist Party (Northern Ireland)
Southport Party [The]
St. Albans Party
Swindon Org UK Party

T

Thames Ditton / Weston Green Residents' Association
The People's Choice! Exclusively For All
Third Way

U

UK Social and Countryside Party
Ulster Third Way
Ulster Unionist Party
United Kingdom Independence Party
United Kingdom Unionist Party U.K.U.P.
Unrepresented Peoples Party
Upminster and Cranham Residents Association

V

Vivamus
Vote 2 Stop The War
Vote For Yourself
Veritas

W

Walton Society [The]
Welsh Socialist Alliance
Wessex Regionalists
West Ewell and Ruxley Residents' Association
Whitnash Residents Association
World
Workers' Liberty
Workers Revolutionary Party
Workers' Party [The]
www.xat.org

Y

Your Party


www.electoralcommission.org.uk...