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Massive Russian-Chinese military exercise this month; US keenly interested.

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posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 01:41 AM

The U.S. military is keenly interested in an unusual joint military exercise by Russian and Chinese troops and will attempt to monitor it, a top Pentagon official said August 3.

About 10,000 troops from Russia and China are expected to take part in the August 18-25 exercise, which will begin in Vladivostok and move to the Yellow Sea and the Jiaodong peninsula, the Chinese Defense Ministry said August 2.

The ministry said the exercise was aimed at improving trust and coordination between the Chinese and Russian militaries so they can better handle crises and “meet new challenges and threats.”

The U.S. Pacific Command will attempt to monitor the exercises, said Brigadier General Carter Ham of the U.S. Joint Staff.

”Clearly, there’s interest in anything that affects the security in the Pacific regions,” Ham said. “So PACOM (Pacific Command) is keenly interested in that and will monitor that to the extent possible.”

full article...

Hmmm.....what do you suppose will they want to observe ?

[edit on 6-8-2005 by Stealth Spy]

posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 01:46 AM
another article ...

edit : shotened

Russia and China hope to sign a massive arms deal after staging joint exercises for the first time[/b

RUSSIA will show off its most modern bombers to its best military customer and China will have a chance to demonstrate that it is a force to be reckoned with when the giant neighbours hold their first joint military exercises this month.

Yesterday’s announcement that 100,000 troops would mass from August 18 to 25 marked the culmination of years of rapprochement between countries

History has enabled them to leave behind old enmities. Shi Yinhong, Professor of the School of International Studies at Renmin University, Beijing, said: “China needs to buy Russian military equipment and resources. For Russia, China is an important market and a source of hard currency.”

Russian paratroops will jump on to the peninsula, while Russian ships will engage in amphibious landing exercises.

Air force exercises involving Sukhoi Su27 fighter aircraft and Tupolev TU95MSs and TU22M-3s will round out the drills, with long-distance bombing runs and cruise missile attacks. The exercises could also involve China’s nuclear submarine fleet and antisubmarine warfare capability.

Russia’s TU160, TU95MS and TU22M3 strategic bombers and the improved Su27SM fighters will scream through the skies. It is not only their high-tech cockpits that Russia wants to show off. China may want to update its fleet of old, lumbering bombers with TU22M3s and TU95s capable of carrying long-haul nuclear-tipped cruise missiles. Russian nerves tingled when the European Union considered lifting its arms embargo on China earlier this year and since then Moscow has shown an interest in offering higher-technology arms to its top buyer.

The war games will involve a Russian airlift of an airborne unit to the training location by Il76 transport aircraft, launching a cruise missile to an imaginary target with TU22M3 medium-range bombers and bombing ground units with Su27SM fighters.

The two governments have invited observers from other governments in the six-nation Shanghai Co-operation Organisation, a security group led by Beijing and Moscow. The group, meant to combat separatism and Islamic extremism in Central Asia, includes Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan.

The show of strength is enough to shake China’s neighbours, but may not go too far in tipping the balance of power in the Pacific. So China is relying on diplomacy as well to boost its influence, quietly eroding the pre-eminence of the United States in the process. Li Zhaoxing, the Chinese Foreign Minister, has had a helping hand recently from Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State. She stayed away last week from an annual strategic forum involving the US, Japan and China in a meeting of South-East Asian nations. That left the stage to Mr Li, who dropped in to show Asia that China cared. The unspoken message was that Washington had seen fit to send only less-senior officials.

full article at >>

[edit on 6-8-2005 by Stealth Spy]

posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 02:46 AM
Thanks for quoting nearly the entire article. Saves me from clicking the link.

Anyhow, there are a number of factors why the Russians and Chinese are performing this joint exercise:
1) direct response to this two US exercises held in the SEAsia region July:
ESG 1 Conducts ASW Exercise with Japanese Destroyers

2) the Russians are gaining an opportunity to assess the Chinese military capabilities.

3) the Chinese are gaining the opportunity to assess the Russian military capabilities.

4) the joint exercise is a culminating act of gratification for both sides being they will be signing a massive arms deal.

5) this Russian and Chinese military 'alliance' is meant to counter the US and developing Indian relationship.

6) this Russian and Chinese military 'alliance' is meant to counter the US and Western military alliance.

7) The joint exercise will strengthen the ties between the two and their bilateral military communications.

8) Allows China to indicate/show resolve over the Taiwan issue.

9) the exercise means more for the Chinese than the Russians. Why? Bear this in mind: the US and Russia have ben doing joint exercises for some time now. Example, from July of this year: Joint Russian and U.S. navy exercises to be held in Vladivostok

These are but among a few of the other unmention significances of this joint exercise(s).

How will the US monitor this: directly and indirectly.


posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 04:33 AM

Thanks for quoting nearly the entire article. Saves me from clicking the link.

ouch at the sarcasm.

There is enormous potential for disaster in this : if , say , a seawolf is sent to the area and is detected - it could be attacked as part of the `exercise`

posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 09:54 AM
Huh, they're showing the TU-160, I thought it was just the TU-95, TU-22, SU-27SMK. It has been said that pretty much the biggest reason for the military excercise was for Russians to show what they have for sale that might interest PLA/AF/N, TU-160 is definitely attracting interest. Lets see if PLAAF wants a few TU-160s or just some TU-22M3s, even a dozen TU-160 does alot against any target in the world and when China buys, its not gonna be a dozen. PLAAF if it wants to purchase TU-22M3s, needs at least 40 to have a first strike and a revenge strike capability and have its operational radius spanning to actual hostile regions. But lets just wait and see.

posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 03:25 PM
Huh, Tu-160s? I thought Tu-22Ms and Tu-95s might be aquired by the Chinese after this, but the thought of Tu-160s in Chinese hands might disrupt the balance of power there.

And, what naval exercises are there? The article only mentions about the airforce exercises and the Chinese ASuW stuff.

posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 06:15 AM
russian ships leaving for china.



Dubna class depot ship Pechenga

LST077 Korsakov

Akula class

posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 08:12 AM
Maybe its just me but I don't think Russia will sell China Tu-22Ms, much less the Tu-160s..
Any other references citing that Russia wants to sell what it shows??

Because if this deal materializes then Th eUS and other countries wary of China will be in a quandry..

Why are they carting subs in ships??

[edit on 15-8-2005 by Daedalus3]

posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 09:06 AM
What exactly are they rehearsing or excising with 10,000 troops?

posted on Aug, 19 2005 @ 12:40 AM
Well.. they have officially begun now.. if not before..

posted on Aug, 23 2005 @ 12:47 AM
MOSCOW, August 22 (RIA Novosti) - Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov will attend the Russian-Chinese Peace Mission 2005 military exercises, a defense ministry official said Monday.

Ivanov will arrive at Qingdao, China on August 23 and spend several days in the area during the active phase of the exercises. He will observe an amphibious landing near Qingdao, an airborne landing near Weifang, and the capture and defense of designated targets in both exercise areas.

In addition, Ivanov is planning to meet with Chinese Defense Minister Colonel General Cao Gangchuan and the defense ministers of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan, who will also attend the exercises.

Ivanov may conduct bilateral meetings with Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) defense ministers, the source said, not revealing any specific details.

Earlier, Russian Chief of the General Staff Yuri Baluyevsky told a news conference in Vladivostok that Russia would participate in joint SCO military maneuvers this fall.

Up to 10,000 military personnel from both sides are expected to participate in the maneuvers. Russia will deploy about 1,800 men, a group of ships from the Pacific Fleet, 17 long-range planes, fighters, transport planes, a company of marines, and several non-nuclear submarines.

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posted on Aug, 23 2005 @ 12:04 PM

Originally posted by WestPoint23
What exactly are they rehearsing or excising with 10,000 troops?

I beleive they are doing alot of different, I heard rumours of beach landings. Preperation for Taiwan? Who knows.

China getting Tu-160's? Well, that'd give them a bit more power.

posted on Aug, 24 2005 @ 01:12 PM
QINGDAO (China), August 23 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian defense minister said Russia's Tu-95MS and Tu-22M3 strategic bombers (NATO designation Bear-H and Backfire C) would be carrying cruise missiles during the Russian-Chinese Peace Mission 2005 joint exercise.

Sergei Ivanov said the bombers would carry non-nuclear missiles, including ones that had been tested recently and observed by the Russian president.

"Fifteen years ago, the bombers were only designed to carry nuclear weapons, which was not good," Ivanov said. "Today, they can carry any kind of weapon, including non-nuclear ones."

Russia will send two Tu-95MS strategic bombers, four Tu-22M3 long-range bombers, and front-line and transport aircraft to take part in the exercise.

An A-50 reconnaissance plane, the analogue to the American E-3 Sentry AWACS aircraft, equipped with long-range radar, which is capable of tracking the entire training area, will also take part in the exercise. "Any aircraft within 2,000 km from the center of the exercise will clearly be seen on the monitors," Ivanov said.

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posted on Aug, 26 2005 @ 12:42 PM

China praised its first joint military exercises with Russia on Friday for lifting relations to an all-time high and opening room for further cooperation.

Eight days of drills involving more than 10,000 troops from the former Cold War foes’ armies, navies and air forces concluded on Thursday with a practice air and ground assault in China’s eastern Shandong province. The last event on the schedule was an outside “family-style lunch” of noodles, braised eggplant and fried fish washed down with beer as tank engines roared in the background, Xinhua news agency said.

“Through the exercises, the two armed forces... improved their capabilities to meet new challenges and threats and to fight international terrorism, extremism and separatism,” Xinhua quoted Chinese Defense Minister Cao Gangchuan as saying. “China and Russia have reached an unprecedented height in their strategic partnership,” it said in a commentary.

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posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 02:25 AM
PLA and Russian airdrop

posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 02:33 AM

posted on Aug, 31 2005 @ 01:11 AM

Taiwan sent a spy plane to Japan's Okinawa island last week to monitor China and Russia's joint military exercises, a newspaper said Monday.

The reconnaissance plane, converted from a C-130 HE military transport jet, flew to a US military base on the Okinawa island. It monitored the drill from the Yellow Sea and was able to intercept the electronic communications of the drill, the United Daily News said.

"This is the first time a Taiwan warplane has landed on Japanese soil and on a US military base in Okinawa since the US cut diplomatic ties with Taiwan to recognise China in 1979," the paper said.

China claimed the drill was aimed at improving Chinese and Russian military coordination, but Taipei believes it was to warn Taiwan against seeking independence.


posted on Aug, 31 2005 @ 06:36 AM

I will be honest and say that I have never seem any really good images of Chinese Troops in a simulated Combat Situation, but after seeing these images and a few others, some of my friends have sent me, its impressive to say the least.

They are far from the paddy farmers that some have made them out to be.

- Phil

posted on Aug, 31 2005 @ 07:14 AM

this is what you get from 10years of reform.

gooseuk there a thousands of images of chinese soldiers doing military training/war games. you just have to know where to look

posted on Aug, 31 2005 @ 08:24 AM
Humm… air drops and amphibious assaults huh? I won’t be quick to jump to a conclusion, but a rather suggestive type of a military exercise given the state of things don’t you think?

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