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Is conservatism hostile to democracy?

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posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:27 PM
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Well, of course it is, as if you didn't know.

Well, let's look at the core concepts of liberalism and conservatism. Liberalsim baiscally suggests that people are essentially good as such they can be trusted to govern themselves effectively, hence the term,"We, the people...." The people should be allowed to govern themselves in search of "the pursuit of happiness." Sounds like democracy to me.

On the other hand, conservatism believes that people are essentially evil. Therefore, a concentration of power is required to govern the people and that concentration of power should be held by elites who are the only ones who know how to govern the people; to keep people in their place.

That is why conservatives believe in an authoritarian parent; a strong police state; freedom for those only in their social class; property rights over human rights (that's why the poor get taxed so heavily) and contolling the masses through threat and fear.

Does this sound hostile to democracy? Yes. What's it sound like to you? Sounds like facism to me.

Well, this wouldn't be a Colonel thread if I didn't leave this one last truism:

As we all know, most republicans are conservative and Hell is hot.




posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by Colonel
Well, of course it is, as if you didn't know.

Well, let's look at the core concepts of liberalism and conservatism. Liberalsim baiscally suggests that people are essentially good as such they can be trusted to govern themselves effectively, hence the term,"We, the people...." The people should be allowed to govern themselves in search of "the pursuit of happiness." Sounds like democracy to me.

On the other hand, conservatism believes that people are essentially evil. Therefore, a concentration of power is required to govern the people and that concentration of power should be held by elites who are the only ones who know how to govern the people; to keep people in their place.

That is why conservatives believe in an authoritarian parent; a strong police state; freedom for those only in their social class; property rights over human rights (that's why the poor get taxed so heavily) and contolling the masses through threat and fear.

Does this sound hostile to democracy? Yes. What's it sound like to you? Sounds like facism to me.

Well, this wouldn't be a Colonel thread if I didn't leave this one last truism:

As we all know, most republicans are conservative and Hell is hot.


you know about as much about conservatism as you do in building a nuclear power plant.



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:33 PM
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BACK I SAY!!!
BACK TO THE MUD PIT!!!
BACK TO THE HELLISH PITT!!!!



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:34 PM
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Exactly what I've been saying. You are typical but you can't refute it.



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by ThePrankMonkey
you know about as much about conservatism as you do in building a nuclear power plant.


What does he not know about Conservatism or building power plants?

XAOS



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by Fury
BACK I SAY!!!
BACK TO THE MUD PIT!!!
BACK TO THE HELLISH PITT!!!!


You scared the hell outta me with that uglly avatar.



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by Colonel
Exactly what I've been saying. You are typical but you can't refute it.


there is nothing to refute.

you think these things are true when they are not. they are the beliefs of a select few, not all republicans/conservatives.

you need a new name.....like colonel generalizer or dances with ignorant chickens.



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:37 PM
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So, conservatism means whatever you feel like it means. That's just stupid.



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:37 PM
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This should go straight to the "X-files".. BS, say i.



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:39 PM
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REVERSE your definitions and you have it CORRECT... Obviously dislexia has impacted your post...

Which reminds me... I was up all night wondering if the is Dog...

P...
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[Edited on 8-27-2003 by Springer]



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by Colonel
So, conservatism means whatever you feel like it means. That's just stupid.



lol you do it all the time! or is it ok only if you do it?

yet another double standard has been exposed.....



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by Colonel
So, conservatism means whatever you feel like it means. That's just stupid.



lol you do it all the time! or is it ok only if you do it?

yet another double standard has been exposed.....



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:41 PM
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No, PM, just your double posting.



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by Colonel
Exactly what I've been saying. You are typical but you can't refute it.


Take this to the pit man.
lmao
and you may be more conservative then you thought.



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:45 PM
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I am not mud-slinging so no need.



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:46 PM
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Of course it is. So is Liberalism.

Liberalism deprives freedom of choice. Liberals cram thier social utopian ideals down peoples throats whether they want them or not, for the greater good. liberalism works towards the goals of well fed and equal slaves.

Everyone is equal if everyone is a slave. Thus, liberalism and its leanings towards socialism and communism.

Liberalism is obviously a threat to freedom and democracy.

Just liek conservatives. They simply take away one set of freedoms, liberals take the other, till were all mindless drones and slaves.



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by Colonel
I am not mud-slinging so no need.


there will be soon.
lemme ask you a few questions,

Do you believe in stopping illegal immigrants?
yes, or no?

Do you believe we should ban guns?
yes or no?

do you believe in freedom of speech?
yes or no?

do you Believe we should have a death penalty?
yes or no?


I await your responces colonel.



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:48 PM
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The point is Colonel is that this is a politics thread and you are involved. That means that this needs to be moved before the chit chat feels the wrath of a 9 page thread of ignorance.



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:50 PM
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And i see that the mods agree as this is now where it belongs in the hellish mud pit.



posted on Aug, 27 2003 @ 04:50 PM
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Colonel, I know some psychiatric specialists that may be able to help you out of your delusional world. It may take some medications but all in all you should be better for it in the end. Worst thing that could happen is a frontal labotomy(or best, who can say).


edit: I agree, this should go to "the pit"

[Edited on 27-8-2003 by Fry2]





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