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reply posted on 5-8-2005 @ 11:30 AM by matej
Fighter Master FIN: here is Yak-45 STOVL derivate with canards instead of horizontal tails and on the right is simplyfied drawing of original Yak-45.



Stealth Spy 1: "obscure thing" is Perspektivnij Frontovoj Istrebitel - perspective fighter competition, which finaly led to Su-27 and MiG-29. This Yak is from 1972 proposals.

Stealth Spy 2: I have only one another picture of MiG Izdelije 33, but still that model in grayscale.

SOC: Drawing was made from the same wind tunnel model, as the hand drawn plan, that you mentioned. I am not 100 % sure, if it was definitely applied to final version of MiG Izdelije 1.27, but it is possible.

Intelgurl: As SOC wrote, for fighter it is much more usefull to have roud shaped nozzle with 3D vectoring. If you have flattened nozzle, you can vectore it only in 2D up and down {YF-22} or left to right {Bird of Prey and also X-45}. F-117 had low IR nozzle, but the price is enormous heat loading, when the hot gasses pass trough rounded cross-section to near pencil shaped nozzle. There were some attempts to build low IR 3D nozzle in Soyuz R-179-300 engine, but it was very complicated. Instead of this, perspective russian fighters will have AL-41F or simmilar engines.





reply posted on 6-8-2005 @ 03:27 AM by Stealth Spy
Originally posted by matej
Stealth Spy 1: "obscure thing" is Perspektivnij Frontovoj Istrebitel - perspective fighter competition, which finaly led to Su-27 and MiG-29. This Yak is from 1972 proposals.


Oh i did'nt mean it in a bad way ... but one can see why the Yak was rejected by just taking a look at it.


Stealth Spy 2: I have only one another picture of MiG Izdelije 33, but still that model in grayscale.


Would you care to post it .
Thanks in advance





The picture in the right bottom is not of an Al-41 F.

That is a picture of the working of the Eurofighter's propoesed 3D TVC fitting to its engines


i've posted it here >> www.abovetopsecret.com...&singlepost=1550089

and it is from here >> www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk... (sroll down to the bottom)

The Al-41F is also a 3D TVC- supercruise engine that will be displayed at MAKS-2005 in a few weeks time.

Here are some pics on what a Russian website claims is the Al-41F1 undergoing testing on a Sukhoi testbed aircraft.

(pics are oversized to be posted, so here are the links)

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Note that the Al-41F1 is a full fledged 3D TVC with supercruise and will have 15,000 kgs of thrust and meant for the PAK-FA and the Russians have alredy announced last month that it will fly in 2007.

Here is that Russian website i was talking about >> paralay.narod.ru...

and here is its english translation (wait for it to load) >> ENGLISH TRANSLATION

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