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Things Are Definately Changing....I'll Tell You What I've Noticed

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df1

posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 01:51 AM
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Originally posted by Dave RavinUpon further review, I see that it IS indeed of some significance.


Just forget that I asked you anything Dave. You just keep the significance of FDR being a Mason your own little secret. If it works for you, just believe it. I have no desire to stand your path.




posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 03:51 AM
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Originally posted by df1

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
The reason Meth is so prevalent is because of prohibition.


You get a "way above" from me on this post.

Too many folks are willing to stop thinking and give up their rights to government. Unfortunately they are giving up mine in the process also.


Thanks for the idea! I'm also voting you way up. Your post was great and right to the point when it comes to people allowing government to step in and take over things that used to be, and should still be matters left to the private citizen!!!



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 04:53 AM
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I just wanted to add this little "change", which actually I believe has children's welfare at heart, but in this instance, and others like it, goes a little bit to the extreme:

When my 12 yr. old, severely disabled daughter died during the night this past February, the scene that acted out, that morning when we found her, and dialed 911, was like nothing I had ever even dreamed could happen. When I called in, I believe I said something like, "I believe that my 12 yr. old disabled daughter is dead." In a few minutes, police were at the door. Then more police...and even more police and the paramedics (and maybe more police...I dunno how many).

They treated us as suspects immediately. Any death of a child is treated like a possible crime, and my apartment was suddently a possible crime scene.

I understood this...but didn't they see the hospital bed...the feeding tube going into her stomach, her diaper and tiny limbs? You could look at her and tell she was disabled and unwell! No marks on her porcelain skin...sh*t!

I wasn't allowed to stay with her body because I might've "disturbed possible evidence". That was my baby, and I woke up and she was dead, and then I couldn't be with her! They posted one of the officers outside of her room all during the time they were here, until they took her body to her pediatrician and he "signed off" on her death. And this was after the paramedics had stated that it appeared to be natural causes (she had severe epilepsy, and it appeared that she had an, obviously bad seizure(s) and maybe didn't come out of it/them, because of the way her body and face were distorted/distended).

Now, I know this is a, probably, necessary event I had to endure; however, my husband being questioned like he was a possible murderer, and police looking at me strangely, acting all suspicious, was just too much. Everyone in the apartment (me, son, daughter, daughter-in-law) was questioned. My neighbor came and, hugged me and scowled at the them! She just walked on through the bazillion that were at the door, outside on phones, radioes, and seemingly everywhere.

That's all I wanted to say...I really thought it sucked, is all. Necessary...I know...but it sucked.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 05:08 AM
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Originally posted by CyberKat

About 2:00am, we got pulled over for no reason. He doesn't drink, was driving the speed limit, all his papers, title, registration, insurance was in order. The cop said he would just give him a warning, then, at the last minute, he wanted to search the car!


I'm not surprised at the time since many bars close at 2 am where I live and the drunks may take to the streets at that time so police are on the lookout for anything suspicious. I'm not used to hearing that someone got pulled over for no reason though. Usually at least some excuse is given such as driving too fast or too slow, weaving in the road or driving too fast for conditions. Actually I think those are excuses police use. You are almost always driving either too fast or too slow for conditions if the police stop you.

In a small town where I used to live, the police would automatically assume my brother was responsible if anyone called to report a blue mustang with a noisy engine travelling through their neighborhood at a rate of speed faster than they thought he should be going. I remember the police calling up asking to speak to him. I said he wasn't home. Then they told me to tell him that "one of these days, we're going to nail him." I immediately saw at that point that you are automatically guilty first and you have to prove you are innocent after the fact. It's not supposed to be that way but it appears to be so.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 05:25 AM
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So sorry to hear about that FibroKat, but that is just not right, and i dont believe how you were treated should be accepted as being a necessary procedure. You lost a daughter, and instead of being given time to think and grieve, you, you're home and family are instantly interrogated. It just seems like a lack of respect for you're human emotions.
I can understand the need to question the parents at some point in such events, but like you said, it seemed to be clear that it was a natural death, therefore, in my opinion, it seems as if they had you as the murderers by default, and you had to prove you're innocence before it was even considered.
Again, sorry for the loss, and i hope you have and are recovering well.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 06:25 AM
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Thank you, PurityofPeace, for your kind words and wishes. Yes, I did want to post this because it is so "on topic"...major change from when this type of thing used to happen. So..........cold. One of the policemen was nice to me and suggested I probably needed to sit down, and help me to my couch. I appreciated him...but he was the only one. And, I'm no cop-hater, believe me...used to work in a prison as a clerk typist. Argh!

There are so many changes!!! To our whole world! And I have noticed, myself, that some of them seem to be manipulating us...I will not be manipulated!



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 08:41 AM
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One thing I've noticed is alot of young plp today treat their parents like garbage, they back talk, curse, and to plenty of other things I'ld have gotten my rear end busted for.

Now in saying that I know the difference between being beaten and getting a whipping as I've gotten both. Now it's far to easy for kids to just say their parents hit them and the parent gets into trouble for spanking their kid. I was raised getting spankings when I went to school you got paddeling for being disruptive then a spanking when you got home. I learned at an early age to listen and behave. I see nothing wrong with either of those cases as long as it's done the proper way.

I remember the small family stores in my home town they have all been replaced with the big chain stores. I remember when it was safe to play in your front yard because your parents kept an eye on you, now I drive around and see 2-10 year olds out side and no parent in site they are walking in the streets and no adults around.

I remember eating home grown food, both meats and veggies. Now our food we buy has no telling what in it our meats are injected with steroids and other growth hormones, our veggies are coated with pesticeds, and every thing has preservants in it. The things that are in our meats might be one reason kids seem to appear older now then they used to when I was a kid or even more so from 60 years ago. Has any one noticed how kids bodies mature faster then they used to?

Many things that I did as a kid are not legal any more, this might be because most young ppl to day seem to be out to kill them selves. Things I'm talking about is riding a bike we didn't wear all that stuff they do now, and when we got in the car we sat in the back no seat belt ( yes I can see how this helps save lives).

When and where I grew up has alot to do with why things at that time were not far from the Andy Griffith show it was a small town every one knew each other and you trusted your neighbor. Now I don't even see my neighbor and when I do you only say hi to each other.

All of these are simple little changes sutble you don't notice them until they are gone. Even the history the teach you in school is a way to set you off on the course they want you to go. History is writen by those who win and those who control history control the future. We had text books when I was in school and no one I knew had a computer so you had to learn things as they taught them. I was talking to a friend at work about this last night, whats the other side of the history they taught us? How can they only teach one side when there is more than one side to a story and you can only get the truth from learning all the sides of that story.

Maybe it's wrong to think we should not just follow the flock, but I for one choose to go in my direction.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by orionthehunter


Originally posted by CyberKat

About 2:00am, we got pulled over for no reason. He doesn't drink, was driving the speed limit, all his papers, title, registration, insurance was in order. The cop said he would just give him a warning, then, at the last minute, he wanted to search the car!


Yes, I'm sorry, I forgot to mention in my post that the "reason" we were pulled over in the first place, was that we had a tail light out that we were unaware of. That's what the "warn" was for. We stopped at the next truck stop and replaced the bulb. However, when he found that all papers were up to date, there was no smell of alcohol, no warrants, license was valid, etc... I can't see any reason what so ever for him wanting to search the car!


I'm not used to hearing that someone got pulled over for no reason though. I realize now that you are automatically guilty first and you have to prove you are innocent after the fact. It's not supposed to be that way but it appears to be so.


Yes, it's a terrible thing, and a large part of what my post was really about -not to start arguements over smokers v non-smokers, drug problems and reasons, etc. It was mainly really to point out that I had been noticing more and more instances where government had crossed the line, IMO and were taking into their hands things that should be resolved by the citizens. I felt (and still do) as if bit by bit, they are trying to "condition" us into getting used to doing what they say, like brainwashing, in a way. I truly am concerned, and would not be surprised at this point that there will really eventually be military-like, gestapo type "check points" at certain places along the highways, state borders, etc.

And it's not that I am worried because I'm some sort of criminal who is worried about getting "caught" with whatever they look for - I don't even like guns, never owned one, never will. But the point is that I feel that government has already way overstepped their bounds, and will continue to do so more and more as long as the people let them get away with it, until we literally are no longer any sort of Free Republic or a Democracy. We will be under a Dictatorship for real. If it weren't for Clinton in the middle, we would already be a Monarchy, literally. That is what I see coming, and I wish that there was a way to stop it. But, I can't do it alone, not even with a handfull of people.

And what you were saying about your brother, yes it most certainly does seem as if now-a-days, citizens have to be on the defensive. Rather than the Constituition says, that "A person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law", now it seems as if it is completely reversed. And it's really sad/bad that a lot of innocent people now end up pleading "guilty" to something that they never did, in order to escape what the judge tells them will most certainly happen if they go to a jury trial. Of course, not everyone is innocent, but enough are who plead guilty anyway because of the intimidation of the courts, that I don't understand why more isn't being done to make the "justice system" more "just!"


It made me really sad when I read PurityOfPeace's reply (about the 3rd one down from the beginning), where she mentioned that kids being born now, and ones to be born in the near future, will more than likely grow up with the notion that constant interrogation is the norm. And, sadly enough, they probably will.


[edit on 8/6/2005 by CyberKat]



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by shorty
I'm sorry, but maybe, just maybe, the government wants us to be healthy?


Why don't they pay farmers to grow crops instead of paying them not to grow crops? That way the farmers could earn what the crop was really worth. They would be able to sell those crops to people for less. Instead of the consumer having to pay close to 3.00 for a bag of apples, they could buy them for 1.00 or less thanks to government subsdities. That way health foods, especially fruits and veggies, would much cheaper than junk foods. Cash wise it would make it much easier for people to buy especially for those on tight budget.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 10:45 PM
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originally posted by df1

Just forget that I asked you anything Dave. You just keep the significance of FDR being a Mason your own little secret. If it works for you, just believe it. I have no desire to stand your path.


As easy as it is to for me to forget that you asked me anything, I see that you are more than willing to remind me. I am going to further explain the significance of FDR being a mason, as it pertains to the original post in this thread.


Roosevelt ( actually a 32nd degree mason; I was off by one degree ) was perhaps one of the best things that ever happened to those special people in high places, such as the Illuminati, for whom a One World Government is the ultimate goal. FDR accomplished this by such means as establishing the Social Security Administration, and placing mason after mason into judgeships.

FDR was a member of the Ancient Arabic Order of Nobles of the Mystics Shrine (Shriners). The grade he held was that of Knight of Pythias. The Order of Nobles and Mystics is directly linked to the Illuminati.

My original response to this topic was about numbers, and it was about the people that have numbers for us all, and how they are using these numbers to keep track of a lot of things that are none of their business.

FDR was lot of things, not the least of which was indeed a mason. I chose to include that information about him, because it is my belief that his masonic beliefs are what inspired him and others like him, to develop a system of citizen-tracking such as we see with the Social Security Number. There is also the point that maybe not everyone reading my post knew that FDR was totally wrapped up Cabalistic practices.

I think the path I am on is high above the path that you are on, and I run no chance of you impeding my progress.

I would now like to ask you a question. Are you going to continue to question the content of my post/response? Have you no contribution to make other than pithy queries? I would rather see some sort of opinion of your own about what the topic pertains to.

I am positive that this thread did not begin as an exercise in what people should or should not have posted, and it surely isn't about firing off twelve-word questions about what you have a problem with in someone else's post without offering some opinion on something sometime.

[edit on 6-8-2005 by Dave Ravin]originally posted by df1

[edit on 6-8-2005 by Dave Ravin]



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 11:01 PM
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I am positive that this thread did not begin as an exercise in what people should or should not have posted, and it surely isn't about firing off twelve-word questions about what you have a problem with in someone else's post without offering some opinion on something sometime.


No, it didn't. It started because I wondered if others had also noticed the changes that have been happening slowly over the course of the years. changes which all have in one way or another empowered the state, while restricting us more and more.

It seems as if most of you who have participated in this thread (and I thank you for it, keep it going, O.K?) do seem to have also noticed changes. Just because you have come from different backgrounds, and/or see the changes a bit different, doesn't mean that you need to bicker about them. Please, I love hearing what you all have to say, but it's a lot better if everyone can accept each other's differences in the way they say things and not ridicule each other, O.K? Opinions are great! Just, I wish no one would post opinions solely designed to put someone else down. Everybody has feelings, and they can all get hurt.

O.K. that said. post away!!!

Thanks,

CyberKat



df1

posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by Dave Ravin I think the path I am on is high above the path that you are on...


Gosh Dave, let me know when you're keeping score, I'll try to do better.

As for the social security number, it has been around since before you and I were born, so imho it is not a very good example of how things are changing, no matter who initiated the social security number.
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posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 12:05 AM
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Parents are afraid to disclipline their children. If a parent does something suspect by anyone else's opnion, that person can call social services. Social services from most of what I have heard takes the opnion guilty until proven innocent, and loves to threaten parents with the possible removal of the children.

Younger kids don't just go over to a friends house any longer to play, or knock on a door and ask if their friend can come out to play. Now many parents set up play dates for their kids. Kids have more activities they go to such as music class, art class, soccor, football, baseball, karate, and etc. instead of just being allowed to have free time. It can be a burn out for both the kid and mom when too many activities are involved.

Homeschooling is on the rise. More and more parents don't trust the public schools to actually educate their children any more. More and more highschool graduates do not know how to read, or can not read beyond a ninth grade level. Some of them are lucky if they can read at a ninth grade level. It seems like the elementary schools and highschools are being dumbed down, so colleges are teaching highschool classes to freshmen. Over 8 years ago I had to go through a couple of mandatory highschool classes as a Freshman of a liberal arts college. I wonder how bad it has gotten now.

Schools don't just teach academics anylonger. Academics are dropped in favor of teaching every multicultrualism, egotistical self esteem, teaching everyone how to get along in a group, and how to follow authority. The grading systems and the red pen is being dropped because it would bruise the kids egos too much. Everyone has to go at the pace of the slowest student even to the deterrant of the smarter students.

The no child left behind act has been created, but is not going to help any student until the academics are replaced back in the schools and the teachers are no longer afraid of failing students.

There are now gun shootings at schools, weapons carried even in elementary schools, metal dectors installed in several highschools across the country, and the zero tolerance policies which most schools enact.

The zero tolerance policies basically create a police state in the schools where an ordinary, everyday, normal butter knife is viewed as a weapon in which the student can get suspended and told they can't attend certain events. A tiny pencil sharpner where a tiny blade is incased in plastic is considered a weapon. Students are no longer allowed to even carry a couple of capsils of advil. I'm sure pencils would be outlawed because of their sharp points, except they are needed to be able to write with.

Also, lets not forget about the TSA guards implemented at every airport who checks bombs in little old ladies shoes, and infant diapers with the infant still in them. Of course due to their no profiling policy aheared to a crazy extreme, they let real suspects go without even looking at them.



posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by df1

Originally posted by Dave Ravin I think the path I am on is high above the path that you are on...


Gosh Dave, let me know when you're keeping score, I'll try to do better.

As for the social security number, it has been around since before you and I were born, so imho it is not a very good example of how things are changing, no matter who initiated the social security number.
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The "score" is overwhelmingly lop-sided in my favor. With respect to posting ANY idea whatsoever with which this thread originally concerned, you have consistently fallen short of the goal. You are currently Zero for Three, statistically.

That bit about FDR's esoteric tendencies was such a very small part of what I had to say, yet you are somehow still spinning your wheels in that particular sand. I was merely trying to reference something from the past that had signalled a change that was a distinct predecessor of the changes that CyberKat had opined about.

Nowadays, there are indeed a great number of freedoms that have been restricted. There is an ever-increasing amout of surveillance placed upon the public. Face-Recognition Technology is becoming more prevalent.[ www.c-vis.com... ] Cameras are everywhere nowadays. If you are at an intersection at any major city, look your best, and smile for the camera; hope they got your good side... These cameras are appearing in department stores, sometimes in the changing-rooms, affixed to lamp-posts, on top of buildings, and of course at all banks and bank-machines ( am researching and will comment later on the ominous squirrel-cam ) ( that was a joke )

*The GPS systems that seem so helpful to the lost traveller are also very helpful to a number of agencies that can scan a database, and know your driving habits within seconds.
*Spyware is your friend too. It helps the people that have your numbers to predict what you are likely up to, based on a composite profile of every key-strike you make on your faithful computer-keyboard.
*The Government Electronics and Information Technology Association (GEIA) has reported frequently on the hundreds of agencies contracted by the U.S. government to provide such goodies as: data-mining, digital surveillance, profiling tools, early warning tools, and advanced encryption programming.
*Plans are underway for sensors being placed in all varieties of goods, and these will enable certain agencies to determine who purchsed what, and when and where it was purchased, where that product currently is located, and whether the individual using that product is the individual that purchased that product.
*The Patriot Act enables the placement of wire-taps without a search-warrant being required.

Can you name some more fun-ideas that our government is currently entertaining? I will give you ten bonus-point, if you can.


df1

posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by Dave Ravin
That bit about FDR's esoteric tendencies was such a very small part of what I had to say...


Dave, this post is much better as you actually manage to stay on topic and cite some relevant issues. However you aren't accurate about your previous post as it is entirely about FDR's estoeric tendencies excepting for the portions where you are personally flaming me and your passing reference to social security numbers, as is very clear to anyone reading that post. I reference that post below to refresh your mind.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

None the less I am pleased you are back on topic and feel that your comments on GPS, GEIA, RFID, Spyware and the Patriot Act are dead on the mark.

As for secret orgainiztions, I think that the CIA, DHS and various other intelligence organizations within the U.S. government are a great threat to our freedoms and liberties. Also I think that it is worthy to point out that since 7/7 it appears that Blair is spinning off the UK version of the Patriot Act which indicates that these are not strictly American issues.
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posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by Dave Ravin
FDR was a member of the Ancient Arabic Order of Nobles of the Mystics Shrine (Shriners). The grade he held was that of Knight of Pythias. The Order of Nobles and Mystics is directly linked to the Illuminati.


The Shriners have NOTHING to do with the Illuminati! Nobody even has evidence that the Illuminati exists! The Shriners are a charitable organization started by masons, for masons, so that they could have fun and joke around and do something good meanwhile. That is why they have circuses as well as hospitals. You're completely off your rocker if you think this group has ANYTHING to do with taking over the world.



FDR was lot of things, not the least of which was indeed a mason. I chose to include that information about him, because it is my belief that his masonic beliefs are what inspired him and others like him, to develop a system of citizen-tracking such as we see with the Social Security Number.


Do you even know what masonic beliefs ARE?!? Freedom, honor, charity, independence, war against tyranny, oppression and extremism! THAT is what is taught to Freemasons, and THAT is why Freemasons such as Washington and Franklin took it upon themselves to free us from the oppression of the British Empire! Blaming masonic beliefs on this is ridiculous, it is DOCUMENTED PROOF that Freemasonry teaches THE OPPOSITE of what you are claiming!



posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 03:54 PM
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Dave Ravin, you have to be able to draw a line here. Lets practice together. Some people obviously want total power on this planet. Some of these people are masons. Some masons have nothing to do with illuminati / world domination, hence not all masons are ''evil''.



posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by sebatwerk
The Shriners have NOTHING to do with the Illuminati! Nobody even has evidence that the Illuminati exists! The Shriners are a charitable organization started by masons, for masons, so that they could have fun and joke around and do something good meanwhile. That is why they have circuses as well as hospitals. You're completely off your rocker if you think this group has ANYTHING to do with taking over the world.


I have learned that freemasonry acts as a hub for such secret-fraternities as the Rosicrucian, the Illuminati and Golden Dawn. The Rosicrucian melded into the ranks of freemasonry in the 1700's. Adam Weishaupt founded the Illuminati, also in the 1700's, and through keen maneuvers, infiltrated the organizations of freemasonry. Many sites, and by this I mean lots and lots- have testimonials from former masons who tell of plots against key sub-divisions of citizens. For instance, nowadays the so-called war-on-drugs produces a pipeline of laundered money that is funneled to such agencies as the CIA, the FBI, the CFR ( Council on Foreign Relations) and the omni-agency known as the NSA (National Security Council).

You did not make it clear whether you are a Shriner. But I do know that Shriners are all 33rd degree masons. These are the highest-ranking masons and any self-respecting Shriner would never admit that all the good things they do through charities are by and large a smokescreen for the much larger amount of damage they do, through their association with the Illuminati. Your contention that the Shriners is all fun-and-games paints a very noble picture. But the picture I see is a mural depicting sheep in wolves clothing. Will you not admit that the masons engage in extreme secrecy, and employ esoteric communications (handshakes; eg) and Cabalistic symbolism in their rituals? WIll not you share with us the assertion that each level of freemasonry is attainable only through personal trial, and the swearing of oaths, and that the lower the level, the less the knowledge of all higher levels?

A clarification of your ranking would show us: a) that you are a low-ranking member, and only engage in the beneficial acts as commanded by higher-ups, or: b) You are a high-level mason, and you are bound by your oaths to perpetuate the myth that people such as myself are completely off our rockers.




Originally posted by sebatwerk
Do you even know what masonic beliefs ARE?!? Freedom, honor, charity, independence, war against tyranny, oppression and extremism! THAT is what is taught to Freemasons, and THAT is why Freemasons such as Washington and Franklin took it upon themselves to free us from the oppression of the British Empire! Blaming masonic beliefs on this is ridiculous, it is DOCUMENTED PROOF that Freemasonry teaches THE OPPOSITE of what you are claiming!


These interpretations of the oaths you have undertaken are optimistic, or are likely your true beliefs. Since you are a mason, that makes them masonic beliefs. You put freedom first on your list. I hope that you are one of the masons that regularly protest the dismantling of freedom by the government. There is one attribute that you list that concerns me though; war against tyranny.

There is within the mass-web of secret-societies a mighty strand of intolerance for anyone who is deemed a tyrannical-leader. This is a major philosophy of the Order of the Jesuits. As a matter of history, a popular actor with Jesuit ties named John Wilkes Boothe is remembered for the infamous line: "Sic semper tyrannis!". ("Thus always to tyrants")

I know that the oaths that are taken by masons include a forswearing of allegiance to any country or king, and that these oaths bind the mason to masonic rule and complete secrecy under threat of death. As far as extremism is concerned, I would say that such an allegiance as that of the mason to the masonic order is very extreme in the truest sense of the word.



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 12:08 AM
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Dave, this post is much better as you actually manage to stay on topic and cite some relevant issues.


I will be the first to admit that I went slightly vague on the FDR/mason thing. Future posts of mine may have shards of broken thoughts as well, but please keep in mind that I am just trudging along here. I have a lot of thoughts to share about a lot of things, and I will do my best to be clear, but of course I more than welcome disagreements. I am usually fairly-well-read on a subject I may expound upon, but fortunately my mind isn't completely hardened to the point where I think I am not able to learn something new from someone.

Now that have posted one you approve (lol) I hope we can get to the heart of some of the matters that you mention in closing, because obviously we are in agreement on many things. Keep an eye on me now...



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by Dave Ravin
You did not make it clear whether you are a Shriner. But I do know that Shriners are all 33rd degree masons. These are the highest-ranking masons and any self-respecting Shriner would never admit that all the good things they do through charities are by and large a smokescreen for the much larger amount of damage they do, through their association with the Illuminati.


I am not a Shriner, and a mason must only be a 3rd degree Master Mason to become one. Therefore you are very incorrect in your assertion that only the "highest ranking" masons are Shriners. Most masons become Shriners when they want to do more to volunteer and help the less fortunate. That is the purpose of the entire organization.



Your contention that the Shriners is all fun-and-games paints a very noble picture. But the picture I see is a mural depicting sheep in wolves clothing. Will you not admit that the masons engage in extreme secrecy, and employ esoteric communications (handshakes; eg) and Cabalistic symbolism in their rituals? WIll not you share with us the assertion that each level of freemasonry is attainable only through personal trial, and the swearing of oaths, and that the lower the level, the less the knowledge of all higher levels?


No, you are very wrong. I am a 32nd degree mason, and 29 of those degrees I received in one day! That is the way MOST masons receive their degrees noiwadays. This involves neither secrecy nor oaths, and there is no secrecy from one "level" of Freemasonry to another. The rituals are not divulged to non initiates because prior knowledge of the ritual and symbols ruins the effect of the ritual. Nothing more.

I wonder what exactly do you think Shriners and Freemasons actually DO...? How would they be a wolf in sheep's clothing? What kind of wolf? Where is your evidence for stating that nefarious and evil things are going on.

Can you even prove the existence of the Illuminati?



A clarification of your ranking would show us: a) that you are a low-ranking member, and only engage in the beneficial acts as commanded by higher-ups, or: b) You are a high-level mason, and you are bound by your oaths to perpetuate the myth that people such as myself are completely off our rockers.


The myth that masons are bound by oath to lie about the fraternity is SUCH a steaming pile of garbage that it truly makes the purveyors of such a myth look ridiculously stupid. If, as a conspiracy theorist, you want to believe that then go ahead. But is that really the best way to investigate and uncover the truth of an organization? By dismissing the accounts of actual members?



I know that the oaths that are taken by masons include a forswearing of allegiance to any country or king, and that these oaths bind the mason to masonic rule and complete secrecy under threat of death.


THIS IS ABSOLUELY FALSE! In the actual obligation, before the initiate makes the actual oath, he is made to state that he understand that the following obligation will not interfere with the duty he owes to God, his Country, his neighbor or himself.

You really need to stop buying in to all this silly conspiracy theory nonsense, and do some research for yourself. It really is a lot more boring and innocent than you would like to think. Stop being so dismissive of the obvious truth and get out there and look things up for yourself. Freemasonry is a very transparent organization. There are few things that are actually secret, and even those can be found on the internet.

If you have any questions, I would be more than happy to answer them for you.



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