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The Evils of Christian Conservatives, and How Can it be Stopped

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posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 05:15 PM
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Right now the USA is by far the most conservitive nation on Earth. Most successfull politicans only have to say they have christain values, and BAM, they get elected. Like the Bush family is suppost to be very religous, but they don't attend church every Sunday, like the Clintons did. Somehow along the way the USA citizens believe the message of bein conservitive, and of having conservitive values is more supperior, or more self-rightous than other points of view or beliefs. It is rapidly becoming in the USA, that you must be christain or christain like to be a Good American, in this country. Personally, our politican leaders embracing the religous right, and there values creeps me out. We allready have laws based on religous beliefs over sientific data, like all the anti-pot laws in America, the new wave of anti-gay marriage, I also heard lately that the Government wishes to ban gay couples from adopting children, hmmm so it is wrong for kids to learn about gay lifestyle, evolution, but it is ok for them to learn about God and Jesus, and where living in the end times as it is Fact, only fact because it is what they believe, but they can't prove it.


Conservitives are in general:
racist
homophobe [im against all laws that restrict rights of minoritys]
conservitives allowed and fought for slavery
against womens rights to vote, abortion,speech, allways have been
culture destroyers [ask any Native American] right now the Red man is not represented or ever has been represented in any form of world government, like the United Nations, or the League of Nations before the UN.
conservitives thinks its ok to incarcerate any citizen that chooses to smoke weed to the number of Millions in jail or on probation or parole, and they are tryin to further this Why? this goes against there own bible, because the New testament preaches that we are to partake of all of God's blessing, animal and plant, but because it gets you high or makes you feel good they feel its a sin, you should only feel good because of God, so it should be illegal.


Conservitives restrict scientfic research, lets see a college in American try to get a grant to study the effects of prayer on a human, or research into the afterlife, or any legislation that promotes peace, tolorance, understanding and loving one another, How can you argue with people that still believe Saddam was behind 9/11, or that pot is a gateway drug[LOL], or that gay marriage would somehow hurt straight marriage, or that it is ok to spend $500 BILLION in Iraq and Afganistan[where they have universal healthcare], while cutting education spending, Medical Spending, allternative energy research..ect...ect..here in the USA .All so they can jump into the SUV and goto church, and vote the way there preacher wants, then to go home to watch the Fox News channel, for there fair and unbiased reports about Iraq, the conservitve agenda, and the state of the world, while sending junior to a camp to heal him of bein gay.

Im married with 3 kids...It is My job to protect my family, but any legislation sent down the pike saying it will protect the children, gets past because I guess its what Jesus would do. FEAR

FEAR Ever watch the left behind series, I have, they are based on fear, how many people have watched these shows then went Running to church to save there immortal soul Based on Fear...Fear like the Patriot Act, The President constanly preaches, Im christain and I have christain Values, and these Devil Islamic terrorists are going to get you, yeah right, just like Saddam was gonna nuke us..FEAR...just like stem cell research is wrong....then on the otherside global warming is a myth, there is no Peak oil

My main question is....HOW can this thought processes be stopped, and how far will it go...will it lead to civil war in America...the believers against non-believers....

Christain Conservitives, those self-rightous, holier than thou, judgemental, scaredycats, Are in firm control of the USA, and are tryin to infuence the rest of the world......These people believe we are living in the end of days, and they are the one setting political policeys both here in the USA and abroad, and they feel they are bein directed by God to being about the end of days......and this is ok


mod edit, spelling in title

[edit on 28-9-2007 by DontTreadOnMe]




posted on Sep, 21 2005 @ 09:44 PM
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All I can say is this, and I mean it literally.

I am finally glad to know I'm not the only one that feels EXACTLY that way.



posted on Sep, 22 2005 @ 01:29 AM
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You have voted LDragonFire for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have one more vote left for this month

I am a econmic conservitive. But when it comes to social issues I am a liberal. Any religious conservitive is a danger to society and shouldnt get any where near government.



posted on Sep, 22 2005 @ 03:11 AM
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Voted for you to. Now how about one on Liberals screwing the country? You can't have conservatives with out the liberals, two sides of a coin, just the conservatives are more open towards destroying the country. Democrats want everything legal, sounds like anarchy to me, no laws, everything legal!



posted on Sep, 22 2005 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
Like the Bush family is suppost to be very religous,
but they don't attend church every Sunday, like the Clintons did.

Is going to church what you use as a measure for if a person is religious
or not? The Clintons showed up at church ... SHOWed up at church ...
all the while he was committing adultry and lieing. Being seen at a
church doesn't make someone religious. Staying home from church also
doesn't mean someone isn't religious.


Conservitives are in general: racist, homophobe, conservitives
allowed and fought for slavery, against womens rights to vote,
abortion,speech, allways have been culture destroyers


I am a conservative Catholic. (Catholics ARE christians, no matter
what some radical fundamentalists say)
Conservatives I know are not racist. None of us are afraid of gay
people. I have friends who are gay. I welcome them to my home
and they welcome me to theirs.

You'll have to provide some evidence to support your statement that
conservatives allowed and fought for slavery more than liberals did.
My family is conservative and we had family who died fighting to liberate
the slaves from the south.

Provide information that shows conservatives were against women
voting more than liberals. Provide information that shows conservatives
destroyed American Indian culture more than liberals.


Conservitives restrict scientfic research,

That's a generalized sweeping statement. Conservatives for the most
part are against research on murdered human preborn children. There
are other ways to get stem cells and those ways are supported and
funded by ... conservatives. Also, the Bush administration has tripled
the aid Bill Clinton sent to Africa. This includes research money in the
trillions of dollars (YOUR tax money) to find a cure for aids in Africa.
So much for your generalized sweeping statement that conservatives
restrict scientific research.


or that it is ok to spend $500 BILLION in Iraq and Afganistan
[where they have universal healthcare],

'Universal healthcare'??? Yeah, right. Rape rooms are universal health
care. Afgan women not being allowed out of the home to go to the
doctor because they don't have a male escort is 'universal healthcare'.
When she does have an escort and can go to the doctor, the Afghan
woman isn't allowed to be touched by the doctor and has to be
'examined' with a sheet between her and the doctor. Yeah, 'universal
healthcare'. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

The Oil for Food money that was supposed to go for healthcare in
Iraq was being stolen by Saddam and the UN. Because America and
the Coalition of the Willing went in, that money is now not being
stolen any longer. Health care will IMPROVE in Iraq because of
liberation from Saddam and the UN Oil for Food program.


allternative energy research.

It was John Kerry and Walter Cronkite who refused to allow wind mills
to be put in the bay in Massachussetts .. because it would ruin their
view and be an eyesore. Both are radical liberals.


All so they can jump into the SUV

People can own what ever car they want to. This is America.


yeah right, just like Saddam was gonna nuke us..

He would have if he could have. If he was allowed to continue
his nuclear weapons research and WMD manufacturing ... you
betchya' he would have hit us as soon as he could have.


Christain Conservitives, those self-rightous, holier than thou,
judgemental, scaredycats,


While I absolutely agree with you that most fundamentalists I
have met are 'holier than thou' and judgemental, I find that your
rant is just as 'holier than thou' and judgemental.



[edit on 9/22/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Sep, 22 2005 @ 09:51 AM
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One of the biggest problems with society is that under the "we all watch over each other" they have taken it to the extreme.

We no only watch and spy on each other but also want to dominate each others lives.

Its call power over others, just like humans have not problems dominating others and enslaving others, in our society is against the law to do that.

But you get religious rights and religious backed politicians that will do it anyway in the name of God and for the Good of the nation.

Control of women bodies, control of the human spirit has always been a goal to fundamentalist.



posted on Sep, 22 2005 @ 12:00 PM
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Ignorance is THE biggest problems we have in this country and world today.
This thread is a great example of such total and complete ignorance. This thread is an example of someone who hasn't a clue about either conservativsm or Christianity yet blames both on his personal woes. The government is neither. As a matter of fact, conservatism and liberalism are tools by which those in control use ignorant sheep to twist the nation's direction toward a path of ruination, and, as we can see here, they have gotten to the point of synthesis on this topic that we have a man who actually thinks the gobvernment is controlled by Conservative Christians, and we a bunch of other knee-jerk haters who pile on with him.

We are certainly in the days where right will be wrong and wrong will be right, there is no doubt. Funny, though, with the explosion of knowledge that has also occured as prophesied, people still refuse to Deny Ignorance.



posted on Sep, 22 2005 @ 12:10 PM
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This is the worst thread I have ever read


I am neither a Christian nor a conservative, but I am apalled by your ignorance, arrogance, and, dare I say it, stupidity.

What are you, 14? 15? Don't start making statements like this until you have the knowledge and experience to back them up... it's obvious that you haven't based these opinions on any actual events in your life, but rather on the conveniently pre-packaged ultraliberal ideals of youth angst.

Give it a rest



posted on Sep, 22 2005 @ 12:38 PM
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Right now the USA is by far the most conservitive nation on Earth


I'm sorry.

That sentence alone is just so incredibly inaccurate it ruins the rest of the post.

(And there are even bits I agree with)

Such overgeneralisation just...well, it just comes across as ill-informed hyperbolic rhetoric.



posted on Sep, 22 2005 @ 12:46 PM
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Actually Fundamentalist Christians has boasted for years that US is a "Christian Nation" and founded under a Christian common bound.

Taking the consideration that is a "Christan nation" comes the issue of under conservatism we most retake the nation and geared toward the will of god.

We all have opinions and we all see issues differently so to say that many disagree with this thread actually you are bypassing the real issue here, and that is of "How Christian and conservative" the nation is.

Occurs some around as long as their views are different from them will deem this thread as ignorant but that is their opinion, is not for me to call anybody ignorant.



posted on Sep, 22 2005 @ 01:16 PM
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fear the United States for you will lose your liberties- Former Insane Secretary of Christianity John Asscroft

As to how to stop this false Christian conservative army... how about reading some of the things Jesus said to them and then showing them what they are actually doing and if that doesnt work, I say we build the Mayflower big enough to send about 50 million people to a new Plymouth Rock... in Antartica

I hear there's alot of homosexual penguins that need conversion



posted on Sep, 22 2005 @ 01:20 PM
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Marg, again, you seemto miss the boat.
It is not a boast that the nation was conceived to be a Christian nation, it is hisorical fact. It should not be only understood that nations must share a common culture if it is to thrive. That was ours.

On the same hand, if one understands what Christianity is, and what Conservatism is, one would have the knowledge to know better than what is dosplayed by this factless thread. Ignorance; the word has to basic meanings. One, it means to not be knowledgeable, and, two; to ignore the facts. This demonstrates both definitions, clearly. Also, the thread is extremely bigoted and hateful, and was almost trashed and the member warned, but as it is in PTS and not ATS, I'm not totally sure as to how much flexibility can be expected here.



posted on Sep, 22 2005 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Marg, again, you seemto miss the boat.
It is not a boast that the nation was conceived to be a Christian nation, it is hisorical fact.


Then how do you explain the historical facts that most of the founders of this country having complete disregard if not abhorrent standpoint of Christianity?

Only one can be fact, it either is or is not based on Christianity. Unfortunetely for the Christian nation fantasy theorists, the founders' views of Christian disdain are in print.

Fine examples:


George Washington: [a Freemason]

Every man ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience


The Bible in thought of raising a nation?:


Thomas Paine

"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book

[a comment made while referrencing the Bible].


And I LOVE this one!! :


Thomas Jefferson:

The age of ignorance commenced with the Christian system


Like I said, it's in print that this is, in fact, not a Christian nation

Misfit



posted on Sep, 22 2005 @ 02:41 PM
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Thomas Crowne

What you missed is the fact that for the last few years "conservatism" has been link to the republican party and now in power is what the moral majority wants.Right?

And . . . what you have missed also is the fact that the republican party and the "Conservative" moral majority has been hijacked by fundamentalist in this country that seems to think that they are responsible for the victory of Bush and his job to bring Conservatism and a more dominant Christian view and rule of the nation by laws trying to manipulate the judicial system to rule in their "Conservative christan" ways.



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Marg, again, you seemto miss the boat.
It is not a boast that the nation was conceived to be a Christian nation, it is hisorical fact.


I hate to keep having to repeat this point but I've been reminded far too frequently and recently of the old saying that goes something like this: "a lie left unchallenged becomes the truth" so, for as many times as I see Mr. Crowne repeat this falsehood, I will feel compelled to attempt to correct it.

The fact that many, most, or even almost all of our Founding Fathers believed in God does NOT mean that they were Christians. How much evidence is it going to take to get people to stop equating a belief in God with Christianity?
Jews believe in God, Muslims believe in God. All manner of other major, minor, and even obscure religious sects have a belief in God that does not, cannot, under any circumstances be construed as a belief in the divinity of the Jesus of the Christian faith.

Give us all a rest on this, please.



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 10:23 AM
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Uh, yes it was, Misfit. I have written quite a lot onthat particular topic on this board, much more than three quotes. By the way, George Washington was the absolute worst example you could have used. Search for my writings on this topic here at the board and read, as I'm not writing that much again.
Al, you might want to rewad it as well. An, Al, I might say the same about you; you give us all a rest on trying to destroy the American heritage that is true and correct. As a matter of fact, you bother to see when God (God, as in the Father of Christ, to be specific) was a very important part of theis nation, and when those who hate Him started slowly, little by little, removing Him.
The fact that you are the willing victim of history revisionism is not my fault.

Marg,again, listen. Bill hijacked the country when the liberals and Immoral Majority thought he would make the nation a playground for the filthy, but as we know, he disappointed them in the end. Now, today, you know as well as I that George has been anything but a Conservative and shown little Christian leadership from the Oval Office, as with his cabinet. Thisd being the case, it is not Christianity or Conservatism, as I have CLEARLY stated, that causes us the problem.
The problem is, we are still hoping that one or the other of the two owned parties are going to lead the country properly, for the people. As long as we all continue to ignore the truth and cling to a dream, it's never going to get better.

[edit on 23-9-2005 by Thomas Crowne]



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 10:45 AM
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Thomas in your point of view I gather that "property" edge on "theocracy" that means forcing the nation into a one line point of view that favors one particular groups regardless of what the rest of the "sinful" nation wants.

Pushing one set of view because you in your believes think is the right thing is not necessarily what the rest of us think is right.

That is what dictatorships leaders do in theocratic countries.



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Search for my writings on this topic here at the board and read, as I'm not writing that much again.


Laughable, but at least consistent. That's tantamount to me reading the Bible for proof of Christian ideology being the "true way".



By the way, George Washington was the absolute worst example you could have used.


Reasoning?

Misfit



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 03:44 PM
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Woohoo did I touch a Nerve?..Good It amazes me how people loathe Clinton for lieing about a hummer from a White House intern, But the same people don't have a problem with lieing about going to war. The thought of Clinton Doing what he did then lieing about it doesn't bother me. Why? He Never should have been asked about her! Taxpayer money should have never been used to go after him like they did! Its simple the whole Clinton/Lewensky should have been a Clinton/Clinton/Lewensky thing Not a Religous Conservitive agenda spending some $30 million of all of our tax payer money involving a affair. When these same people have not spent a dime investigating Bush and his lies to goto War. Personally lieing to goto War is far worse than Lieing about Monica and her little talents and her 15 minutes of fame. In many ways Clinton was Way more of a Leader than Any of the Bush's, not that he was perfect, but the way he lead gave the USA respect and admiration worldwide. Not like the current child like Ruler we have now, who deals in absolutes, with a Unearned cocky grin/smirk. Remember mission accomplished??

I just got out of the hospital from havin Surgery So I will now, since I have nothing better to do, will try to catch up on these posts.

FlyersFan Go Blues!!!
You may not be against Gays, but your religon is, and I do concider Chatholics as Christians. These people have really gone after gays in this country limiting there rights to marry, like them marring each other is somehow "threatens marriage" or just limiting there "rights" as a minority based on there "Values" like christians Values are more superior to all others. I agree with what you said about going to church is not a good measure of you being a Christian or Not. Christians should be Judged on there actions..this is easy, are there Actions Christ like or not. The sciences I refered to was not about stem cell research, but that is a good example[it only has the possiblity of Saving Millions perhaps Billions of lives someday] But more on the life after death research that has hardly been Researched, it seems the Chruch has the monopoly on the here-after. Also, Christians in the USA are building museums here that teach there belief in our history, these do not support the facts, they say earth is only like 6000-10000 years old, when Science says Earth is 4.5 Billion years old. And it goes into the Whole Creationizm Vs Evolution[or Intelligent Design] You are Correct about me being Judgmental, I am. In my view as being agnostic its not a "Sin" but in the view of Todays Chistians [And historiclly] it is a sin to Judge someone, but its like all they do, Christains typically hang out with or accociate with "other" Christains, remeber it is through them who is to be saved, follow them for they are the righteous ones[Self-Righteous ones], kinda the same with alcoholics, they as a whole tend to hang-out with others of the same view or hang-ups.

marg6043
I hear ya allmost point for point, Modern Religion including the Eastern Religions call for the domination and control over women in general. Most churchs in the USA preach that the Man must be the head of the house and the Wife/woman should be subsevient to the male. Im a Dominate male, Im offen in my r/t life refered to as the Alfa male...but Im only happy that way in the bed-room, outside of the bed-room its too complicated I like to diccuss things with my significant other about all aspects of living life, just because im Caveman like don't mean I have all the answers. Questions about abortion I feel is between that woman and what she believes...not My opinion and certainly not the local preachers opinion, or the locally elected politican whose platform was his "Values" To me this is a Red flag, this tells me this person wants to limit or take away our rights because of there belief system.

Thomas Crowne
Call me what you want, while you still can. I was raised in church, I have 15 years of experience in church Babtist, Southern Babtist, Four-Square Pentecostal.ect...ect...my mother was the Sunday school teacher, My GrandFather was the Southern Babtist minister, that would come up to Missouri from Arkansas and hold a revival that would pack the church Everynight till he got tired and went home. The bible mentions in the End of Days Many will come in the name of the Messiah, but not Be of the Messiah, so who is Ignorant, those who choose to follow these teachings believing it is the End of days believing people like this Administration that claims tobe Holy when there actions do not back-up there claims. Excuse me for not Following Anyone like Bill Frisk who believe we are living in the End Times, and who claims tobe of Christ.....ect....ect

The Parallelogram
You sound like a Good Modern Christian, your preacher would be so proud of his good obiedient sheep. Did he tell you to say that or did you think it up on your own?

Tinkleflower
Thanks for nameing a more Conservitive Nation. I do agree I did Generalize, Im not as against Conservitism as much as Im Against Religous Conservitism, because these people Believe everyone should live by there Values, and it should be the Law of the land, AND I DON'T AGREE! Just look at some of the Failures in Government because of appointing people in positions of power Based on there "Values" and not experience. Katrina is a Good example of this. Brown should not have been the head of FEMA, as Chertof [a attorney] should not be the head of Homeland Security....But Homeland Security should not Exist because it goes against Conservitism as in haveing a Smaller Government.

Personally those running for elected government positions based on there "Values" is scary at best, incompetent at worse. And will Never get my Vote. I believe these people not only want the End of Days to happen, but will do there part thinking that they are doing God's work


[edit on 23-9-2005 by LDragonFire]



posted on Sep, 23 2005 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Actually Fundamentalist Christians has boasted for years
that US is a "Christian Nation"


People can boast about what ever they want.
It doesn't mean that it's true.
I don't know if I'd consider America to be a
'christian' nation or not. We are generous
which is a Christian virtue. But I don't know
about us being a 'Christian Nation'...




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