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Originally posted by paperclip
That is not going to happen, and white man should get used to the sight of colored people on the street.
Originally posted by nathraq
I believe most people aren't afraid of Muslims being terrorists persay, but more afraid of losing a sense of national identification.
No matter what arguement anyone can give, Great Britain is a Western, predominantly white, nation. The majority are Christian. It is their house. What we in the Western world are seeing is an influx of people's from every corner of the globe coming in to have a piece of our very generous pie. No problems with that.
What I do have a problem with, is people coming to exploit what we have worked so hard to build. Intstead of embracing the culture that they have voluntarily decided to enter, they choose exclusion. That is the problem with certain immigrants, Muslims being one of them. The money of Europe and America and Australia are good enough for them. But that's where the line is drawn.
I may come off as being rascist. But that is not what I am trying to paint here. I am not saying Westerners are better than anyone else. But these are our cultures that are being watered down by pluralism and the great myth of the 'melting pot'.
It is ok in today's PC world to be "Black and proud", or the poor Muslim who is always labeled as a terrorist. But as soon as a person of European descent says, " I am proud to be German", or " God save the Queen", or " Viva la France", they are labeled as a rascist or nationalist. That is the double edged sword of being white in today's world. We are now the Earth's bogeymen. The cause of all problems, from the Crusades, to American Slavery, to Viet Nam, and now Iraq. It is because of "whitey's" transgressions that the world is in total chaos and confusion.
Well, thank god I am not PC. I will voice exactly how I feel, and I hope others do the same. I would rather have someone up in my face, telling my what's on their minds, than trying to 'protect my feelings' from what they might say.
So, after all is said and done:
Yes, anyone who does not want to share in the wealth and peacefulness of Western style living should leave. If they do not want to assimilate and join the rest of us for BBQ's and fireworks, then leave.
(that also goes for you anti-American and 'blame the white-man for all the world's problems' factions.) Maybe there is a small(deserted) Island in the Pacific for the lot of ya.
Originally posted by nathraq
See, my point is, Paperclip, why should white people have to get used to seeing anyone other than themselves on a street in Europe?
Old family adage: I am of Croatian descent. If I move to Japan, after a certain amount of years, I can apply for Japanese citizenship. Then I will be Japanese. But only in name. I am Croatian,it's in my blood, no matter what country I live in.
Originally posted by nathraq
See, my point is, Paperclip, why should white people have to get used to seeing anyone other than themselves on a street in Europe? My point being Europe is white. Any one who is not white, living in Europe, is a foreigner, or of foreign ancestry.
Originally posted by intrepid
Damn, I'm glad the North American natives hadn't taken that attitude, I wouldn't be here. Not like we gave them much of a choice though.
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
as painful as it is, I have to weigh in on the muslim side on this one. The bombings had nothing to do with the british way of life, but british foreign policy.
Originally posted by nathraq
But, Europe is established. Their culture is being wittled away bit by bit, to meet the demands of an ever growing populace of immigrants from the Middle East, Africa or Asia.
Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
Originally posted by skippytjc
the biggest threat in England right now: Islamic (read Muslim) Terrorists.
I would contest this.
I have more chance of being run over by a bus than I have of being murdered by a terrorist.
Originally posted by nathraq
I am only pointing out the fact that those of various colors who live in Europe are guests, or at one time, their families were guests.
Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
Although the article mentions 'extremist' Muslims, one cannot help but feel that such sentiments will be extended across the whole of the Muslim community so that any legitimate dissent will be stifled.
Originally posted by nathraq
Originally posted by paperclip
That is not going to happen, and white man should get used to the sight of colored people on the street.
See, my point is, Paperclip, why should white people have to get used to seeing anyone other than themselves on a street in Europe? My point being Europe is white. Any one who is not white, living in Europe, is a foreigner, or of foreign ancestry. I again have to make a disclaimer: I am not trying to be a rascist. I am only pointing out the fact that those of various colors who live in Europe are guests, or at one time, their families were guests. If they do not like where they live, they should leave.
Old family adage: I am of Croatian descent. If I move to Japan, after a certain amount of years, I can apply for Japanese citizenship. Then I will be Japanese. But only in name. I am Croatian,it's in my blood, no matter what country I live in.
Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
Originally posted by skippytjc
the biggest threat in England right now: Islamic (read Muslim) Terrorists.
I would contest this.
I have more chance of being run over by a bus than I have of being murdered by a terrorist.
Originally posted by ekul08
And according to your own arguments, eiter those people are guests, or at some time their parents were guests. The latter may suggets that some of these people were actually born in europe, making them European, because that is where they were born.
Your arguments ARE racist. Why should you have to get used to looking at non-white person on the street? Because they are a person, just the same as you should have to look at a dog ugly white person that walks down the street -- because they are a person, you might not consider them an attractive one, but they have every much as right to be there as you do.
It dosen't matter what religion or sex or race or colour people are, THEY ARE STLL PEOPLE!
Jeez, its like living in the freakin' dark ages.
Originally posted by nathraq
Typical leftist reply. Once again, pointing the finger at 'whitey', for stating his opinion.
Is is not a right for foreigners to be in any country. It is a privilege. I did not say kick them out. I did not say they are evil and bad and commit 90% of the crimes. Those are words that are trying to be put in my mouth.
Originally posted by ekul08
You said that you didn't think you should have to look at them when you walk down the street, and i was saying beacuse for many of it, its their home. And for those travelling, it may be a privellige, but I don't think that walking down the street without being discriminated against on the basis of your skin colour should also be a privilege.
See, my point is, Paperclip, why should white people have to get used to seeing anyone other than themselves on a street in Europe? My point being Europe is white. Any one who is not white, living in Europe, is a foreigner, or of foreign ancestry. I again have to make a disclaimer: I am not trying to be a rascist. I am only pointing out the fact that those of various colors who live in Europe are guests, or at one time, their families were guests. If they do not like where they live, they should leave.
Originally posted by ubermunche
The UK is made up of immigrants, it's whole history is one of immigration and assimilation, sometimes welcome, sometimes destructive but there are though very few racialy pure Englishmen, or Scottish or Welsh for that matter.
I know plenty of people whos descendents originate from Africa, The Carribean, India, Pakistan etc but they are so integrated and share so many cultural touchstones in common with me that I find it hard to regard them as anything other than British.
[edit on 4-8-2005 by ubermunche]