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Sovremenny Class rebirth in China

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posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 06:35 AM
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China has supplemently ordered more than 6-8 Sovremenny Class destroyers which will get some great ameliorations.
The amelioration includes: 1) taking away SS-N-22 and putting the 4*8 cells SA-N-6 where the SA-N-7 used to be in front of bridge and behind the helicopter hangar so that amount of 64cells SS-N-6 are going to equip on it
2)Taking away tail 130mm gun where will be put 4*4 cells SS-N-28 anti-ship missiles.
All of the two SOVREMENNYs which has been in service in PLA are going to be refited according to plan above.



[edit on 3-8-2005 by emile]




posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 06:41 AM
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emile can you provide source.

chinas needs some bigger ships.



posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 08:42 AM
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Are you a Chinese and where you are?



posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 09:28 AM
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where will be put 4*4 cells SS-N-28 anti-ship missiles.


Do you mean the SS-N-25? SS-N-28 was an SLBM program the Russians abandoned in 1999.

It's interesting if this is true, the SS-N-25 is arguably less potent than the Moskit, comparable to the Harpoon in general performance. It sounds like they are working to make Sovremenny more of an anti-air platform than a surface raider.



posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 09:47 AM
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If what I remember is correct, isn't SS-M-28 Yakhonts? Yakhonts outperform the Moskits, Switchblades have similar performance when compared to the Harpoon.



posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 10:08 AM
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Yakhonts is SS-N-26.
Makes sense as it's the Russian replacement for Sunburn.

With 16 of those and 64 SA-N-6 (naval version of the S300 long range SAM), the Sovremmeny's would become very capable ships indeed.



posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 11:53 PM
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I wrote rongly.

The anti-ship which will be equiped in Soremenny Class II China is going to order actrually is SS-N-26Yakhont3M-55.



This missile's one of link is www.bharat-rakshak.com...



posted on Aug, 4 2005 @ 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by emile
Are you a Chinese and where you are?


100%. chinese

but living in australia.



posted on Aug, 4 2005 @ 03:39 AM
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Okey if you can read Chinese, this link will be useful for you.



posted on Aug, 4 2005 @ 02:48 PM
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Translation of the link

Since this March, China and the Russia high-level war industry delegation has held both countries to restore the friendly relations the biggest defense procurement conference. The Russia Luo aspect received has come from China's huge weapon fixed purchase, the technology transfer request application. Navy and air force's weaponry has accounted for the very great proportion. The Chinese navy proposed will supplement buys into "the modern age" the level destroyer 4 ~ 6, K level 636 conventions submarines 4, and requests Russia to provide "pulls reaches" the level submarine detailed material, will retain 4 ships to buy into the power as well as other some naval armament (including missile, torpedo, fire control system and so on). Above equips simultaneously proposed shifts its technical and the production permission request. A K U L is widely known which as for the outside A nuclear power attack submarine this involves by no means in the negotiations, this demonstrated China still to oneself will develop the production in the core weaponry aspect primarily. This China proposes buys into the plan to be extremely huge, demonstrated China has extremely taken the navy the development, the Chinese navy already realizes with Japanese and United States Navy's disparity, and diligently is reducing this kind of disparity. But the short-term goal is precisely the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force. Specially should the worth noting be China this time buys into "the modern age" the level destroyer with the destroyer which first time buys into to have the significant difference, China has requested to "the modern age" the level destroyer comprehensively to carry on, the large-scale reequipment, and will reequip establishes in "the modern age" above 956 B foundation, will surpass or achieves with "Jin'gang" the level Aegis destroyer suitable operational capacity. And has truly can deter the American aircraft carrier the ability, this should be prepares for the Taiwan sea question. Because improvement scope quite big, Russia as soon as starts to agree with Chinese this request by no means, but afterwards because the Russian domestic navy several years all have not continuously bought the ship plan, cause the shipyard to begin seriously are insufficient, for continue with difficulty. Therefore for guaranteed tens of thousands of person of employment opportunities as well as the factory production technology ability seriously is not weakened, simultaneously China will propose the loans by the hard currency primarily. Therefore finally or has agreed with China's request. It is reported, the Chinese aspect proposes the following improvement plan to the modern level: The demolision 舰尾 130 naval guns, demolish S S - the N - 22 missile launchers, demolish A the K 630 naval guns, demolish S A - the N - 7 missile launchers, the renewal fire control, the radar as well as the electronic warfare system. Installs two 6 associations in 舰尾 130 naval guns positions to install the firing distance is 300 kilometer second-generation long-distance Y A K H O N T (gem) the supersonic ship to the ship missile vertical launcher, simultaneously introduces this missile spatially shooting. But because S S - the N - 22 volumes too are huge, therefore introduces mainly is for establish the advanced shore base anti-ship system. Whether this did mean China will give up domestically produced C - 101, the C - 310 supersonic speeds antis-ship guided missile system? 630 rapid fires artillery position will install 4 in original A the K "卡什坦" a ball artillery body short range defense system. - 7 launches the position in original S A - N to install two sets of new ground-tos-air missile vertical launching system. Each set of launching system has 4 eight associations to install the vertical launcher, the launching device for the model Russia system "the revolver" the type vertical launcher. The entire ground-to-air system has 64 ground-tos-air missile. The ground-to-air missile will use the new firing distance will be 120 kilometer 9 M 96 E 2 missiles, this kind of missile also will be Lu Jis - 300 P M U 2 and the S - 400 ground-tos-air missile. Uses this kind of missile to China to say has the significant significance. On the one hand, China's Lu Jis - 300 P M U 1 will improve to S - 300 P M the U 2 specifications, the missile inevitably along with it improvement, China had also determined S - 300 P M U 2 in the antiair warfare aspect by 9 M 96 E 2 and firing distance 40 kilometer 9 M 96 E primarily, separately will be responsible for the air defense objective which the long range and center will be apart from, but will establish Chinese preliminary T M D to hand over by the firing distance will be 2,000 kilometer 48 N 6 E 2 missiles is responsible. On the other hand, because 9 M 96 E, 9 M 96 E 2 these two kind of missiles volumes small, performance high, the firing distance is far, the Chinese navy extremely has the possibility to do them for the Chinese domestic product frigate vertical ground-to-air missile system, specially the firing distance is 40 kilometer 9 M 96 E, this kind of missile ground-to-air missile is much smaller than China's K the S, but the firing distance and the performance compare K S more to be in the lead, is takes the medium-range antiaircraft missile the ideal choice. This enormous will strengthen the Chinese navy the antiair warfare ability. Simultaneously also will simplify the Chinese army the logistics support. "The modern age" the level operational capacity largely will rise after the improvement, still compared the Jin'gang grading besides the anti-submarine ability, its air defense and the anti-ship ability largely were in the lead to "Jin'gang" the level, and the price was photogenic regarding the Jin'gang level will be extremely cheap. The agreement evaluates which according to this China and Russia looked, China finally will introduce 8 "the modern age" modern level destroyer, after the successor 6 services, initial two also voluntarily will improve by China for and the successor ship same model. The Chinese navy will prepare "the modern age" the level respectively to do will be four big fleets flagships as if, auxiliary will be similar by the domestically produced frigate and the large-scale escort ship composition to Japan 88 (9, 10?) Fleet open sea navy fleet. If this plans into the reality, the Chinese navy will have the serious threat to the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force and in the date United States military US seventh fleet. The article also disclosed China will establish a quantity which by the K level 636, 877 E M K, Wuhan C (the Song level) the advanced conventional submarine will be composed probably will possibly be a 12 ~ 16 submarine combat unit, by rapid solution because the massive obsolete submarines will retire the submarine warfare strength drop question which will create; Simultaneously Japan will continue to construct 4 "Jin'gang" the level destroyer, will establish marine T M the D defense system.



[edit on 4-8-2005 by ulshadow]



posted on Aug, 4 2005 @ 09:35 PM
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If a conflict ever breaks out due the China agression against Taiwan. These ships will make find artifical reefs after the US sub fleet get through with them. They will be sunk long before the US fleet carriers ever show up.



posted on Aug, 4 2005 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by emile
Are you a Chinese and where you are?


100%. chinese

but living in australia.


just admit it you're as australian as me
nothing to be ashamed of



posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 03:39 AM
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im not ashamed of being aussie. i have lived here more than in china. english is my mother tongue and i mix with a lot of other cultures. its great living in a multi-cultural country a experience of a lifetime



posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 11:21 AM
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In related PLAN news, the magazine Warships: International Fleet Review recently reported that the fourth of the big Slava class cruisers is being completed by the Ukranians for a foreign buyer, probably China. If true, this will become the biggest and most powerful ship in the PLAN.



posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 12:23 PM
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The Slava needs upgrades before it can be purchased by PLAN, the Ukranian Slava is basically 80's tech, PLAN wants new stuff when purchasing from a foreign dealer, we can make the relatively older stuff much cheaper.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 02:01 PM
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Presumably, they could buy the hardware to fit it out from Russia, possibly replacing the SS-N-12's with Yakhonts, they are already purchasing SA-N-6 VLS systems (and presumably appropriate fire control radars) for the Sovremenny's if the original post is accurate, so it's not all that much off a stretch to buy a Slava hull (apparently Ukrania is structurally complete but not fully fitted out) and equip it similarly.



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 01:42 AM
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I have got a new refited plan of Sovremenny II Class




posted on Sep, 1 2005 @ 11:47 AM
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PLA has ordered at least 2 Udaloy III class after C-R joint maneuver which just finished

www.war-sky.com...



posted on Sep, 1 2005 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by emile
PLA has ordered at least 2 Udaloy III class after C-R joint maneuver which just finished

www.war-sky.com...


Will those be equipped with the CADS system?



posted on Sep, 1 2005 @ 03:13 PM
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Where in that link does it say PLAN is going to buy the UdaloyIII?




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