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Originally posted by cybertroy
Pain/drug hypnosis = bad. Using pain, drugs and trauma is going in the wrong direction, you are moving away from awareness. Don't be fooled, this is not a valid treatment...
Originally posted by mwen
If something like is being reveal public than there is already a far more advance procedure that can produce a more effective and efficient (good/evil) results...
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
All of the points that I would have liked to have made have been made my the likes of mwen and MemoryShock - whom share my beleifs and interests in Mind-Control conspiracies etc (would i be incorrect to assume so?)
Dissociation is used as a defense to protect a person from overwhelming pain and trauma. It is a natural ability of the brain. Hypnosis or hypnotic trance is a form of dissociation. There are a number of types of dissociation: amnesia, somnambulistic states, localized paralyses, anesthesias, and hallucinations. Hypnosis can reproduce all of these dissociative states. The mind naturally hypnotizes itself under various conditions. Perhaps the reader has been driving along a familiar road and the next thing you knew you were arriving home, having driven in a trance. Now let’s suppose you are driving to a movie and you are discussing next week’s plans with your wife. The complex thinking required to drive just happens. You are awake talking to your wife, and yet on another level you were in trance driving the car. You as a subject were both in hypnotic trance (driving) and awake (talking about plans)...[read the rest from the link below]
www.whale.to...
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
All of the points that I would have liked to have made have been made my the likes of mwen and MemoryShock - whom share my beleifs and interests in Mind-Control conspiracies etc (would i be incorrect to assume so?)
Absolutely this is true. And the logical question necessitated is what do they have? WyrdeOne says that we still have a lot to learn about memory and the brain, but I contend that what is understood on a professional and experimental level is light years ahead of what the public thinks or believes.
And why would the government or whatever vested interests release information that can effect the habits of unwitting persons.
This is where the ethical questions come into play......but can the morality of a situation be qualified if the techniques and fundamental concepts are not publicly held.
This opens the door for the so-called secret societies to operate with impunity........the effectiveness of hypnosis in concert with sleep manipulations is a powerful one indeed.
Many people have access to information that would shed a whole new light on many basic aspects of our society.
An ATSNN submission up for vote details a group of scientists that are being taught to write screenplays for Hollywood. The goal: To glorify science and scientific careers to the young adult population to stimulate the pursuit of such in real life. The implication: That regular medias and entertainments have been targeted by the government to manipulate the minds of the masses.
In short......the applications that we are theorizing upon are already in force and in the case I just cited, it's not necassarily more advanced tech/info that is our downfall, but the widespread ignnorance of the population to basic psychological and neurophysiological processes.......
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
It's the most complex object I've ever had the pleasure of trying to understand.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
Then there's the inter-dependency issue - even if you figure out how one area functions, you have to understand how it relates to all the other pieces of the puzzle before you can appreciate the full spectrum of functions being served.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
One point that startles me is that brainwashing is not specificaly prohibited under the law in most places, and deprogramming is illegal almost everywhere. This seems very strange to me.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
The media is not doing their job, not by a long stretch. So, that critical element is missing. If the media was owned by the people, instead of private interests, the programming would no doubt include primers on critical thinking.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
It's a very unbalanced situation, to be sure, a bit like two Kung-Fu masters facing off, where one knows the style of his opponent, and the other knows only his own style. If you don't know brainwash Kung-Fu, you're powerless against it.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
Ever try explaining the concept of media ownership detracting from the quality of programming, with the average American voter?
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
There's also the stress element to consider. People who are stressed out are operating on a more instinctive level of their consciousness, and this makes them easy to predict, manipulate, and deceive.[my emphasis]
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
The war on terror, and the resulting hysteria, can best be understood as a war on consciousness. The majority of Americans are already casualties.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
The more brutal techniques are the most effective, but the subtle methods under discussion are far more insidious, because you never see 'em coming.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
One point that startles me is that brainwashing is not specificaly prohibited under the law in most places, and deprogramming is illegal almost everywhere. This seems very strange to me.
Originally posted by MemoryShock
Seems strange to me as well.......I didn't know that, thanks
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
ghostsoldier
Check out this link for some information on deprograming, and the lengths some groups have gone to persecute the people doing it.
en.wikipedia.org...
The Rick Ross case is quite interesting, because it shows perfectly the sort of legal extortion our money-driven justice system allows. If you can afford the price tag of a few premium lawyers, you can sue just about anyone into the dirt.
Also notice the case of Ted Patrick. He was convicted of kidnapping.
Basically, it's illegal. However, if you absolutely must deprogram people, don't deprogram the disciples of moneyed cults, because they'll grind you into paste with their giant checkbooks.
During the 1990s, Rick Ross, a noted cult intervention advocate who allegedly took part in a number of deprogramming sessions, was sued by a former member of a group called the Life Tabernacle Church after an attempt at intervention was unsuccessful. He was ordered to pay damages of about $5 million, though this amount was later rescinded. This legal case was expanded to include a prominent anti-cult group called the Cult Awareness Network (CAN). The judgement was used to force CAN into bankruptcy, and its name and assets were purchased by a representative of the Church of Scientology, which had been frequently criticized by CAN, shortly afterwards. This case was seen as effectively closing the door on the practice of deprogramming.
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
The thing I am finding interesting, is the constant references to Religion and God... Would I be incorrect in assuming that God and Religion are uses predominantly as a means to an end... The concept of God being "all-seeing" and "all-powerful" would be something a sicko would use to program people - particularly younger children...
*Suddenly I have a flash of George W. in my mind again*
Originally posted by grad_student
So you are claiming that all modern religion is brainwashing? In today's era of science and separation of church and state, many people tend to assume that the intent of religion is a bad thing, to brainwash innocent people that otherwise would be "good" people ... but that's hardly the case at all.