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Originally posted by DRGIBBONS
That's no space junk! Bob passed polygraph tests on the entire story of how he recovered the object.
"The Cr 53/54 ratio will tell us without a doubt whether this sample came from planet Earth or from somewhere else. Chromium is unique because it is definite."
Originally posted by DRGIBBONS
I don't think labs have the capability of "mixing up" a batch of Strontium and a batch of Chromium with the correct isotopic ratios. First of all, they would have to separate out the isotopes to do the mix in the first place. That would require a separation on the order of the Manhattan Project that cost billions of dollars to develop the atomic bomb. No, Bob White's object is unique because labs can't duplicate it.
Critics say it is 360 Aluminum alloy, but I did a study of what makes up a 360 Aluminum alloy and by definition, it has a concentration of Tin. Bob's object has no Tin! If you do a cursory look at Bob's object and 360 Aluminum alloy, the first four elemental concentrations are pretty close, but you have do look at the trace elements in Bob's object and compare them with the trace elements in 360 Aluminum alloy. They don't match and Bob's object has no Tin! Dr. Robert H. Gibbons
I have met BobWhite and seen the object. I do have several comments about
the test results presented.
In the first place, if I want testing done, I stay away from universities. I
find licensed commercial forensic labs who have done the particular test
many times, who agree to have their names used, who will stand behind their
work at a press conference or in court.. Commerical alloys all have a range
of values for the abundance of the various constituents.. such as 8-10%
Chromium in a particluar stainless steel. Often they have no limits or test
data on low abundance elements because, in the first place it rarely makes a
difference, and in the second place because often the heat of metal, say iron
or aluminum,will vary a bit because of where it came from and smelting
I notice that NM Tech gives values for density, hardness, and resistivity
for the sample, but not for AL 360 .Also they didn't measure the constituents
for Alloy 360 using the same techniques. NL does not mean there is none there.
Even isotope ratios can be slightly different depending on the geological
history of ore sources.
The best I can say is that this is an unusual object, but that its origin is still in my gray basket.
Originally posted by Ox
It could be something that fell off in mid flight of an aircraft, Space shuttle possibly? (Which does happen, things do fall off) and hardened on its way back to earth.
But to say YES it is alien is kinda jumping to conclusions.
Originally posted by Ox
I didnt say I was disagreeing at all. It just seems to me that every little "UFO" that is seen or strangely formed piece of metal is "Alien" ok..
1. A UFO is just that, An unidentified fly object, If by some miracle I was able to fly and someone spotted me and didnt know what I was, I would be a UFO..
I dont doubt his story and not at all calling him a liar, All I am saying is that there seems to be a whole lot of people out there that jump to these enormous conclusions that something has to be immediately alien.
Not trying to be rude.. just.. trying to make a point
Originally posted by Hal9000
In the previous post that Dr. Gibbons provided, it explains how the fragment was formed. It was at 600 degree temperature at the same time it was free falling at a high velocity in order to form the tail and be covered with scales. That is not something you can do in your garage at home, or in a metal shop.
It is also impossible for it to have formed naturally. So it had to be extracted from an ore other than any on Earth, and it is not natural. Regardless of Bob White's story of it being ejected from a UFO, if it is not terrestrial, then it must be extraterrestrial. Meaning it was not created here on our planet. So some other intelligence must have created it, and left it behind.
Originally posted by lost_shaman
So I was thinking about this , what velocity exactly would cause similar effects? Or is it more of a range, like 800 F @ 250 k/p/h - 550 F @ 900 k/p/h, ( Just punching in Numbers , but you get the idea).
You said it was impossible to be formed that way naturally , but could it not have been formed by slowing in the atmosphere until it formed and fell to earth? A fragment that just didn't burn up completely? Just a thought.
Let me quote an email from Chris MacIsaac at the La Jolla Isotope Lab for Cosmochemistry dated May 2, 1999: "The Strontium 84/88 ratio for Earth and most of the known solar system is 0.006745 +/- 0.000002. We measured at La Jolla yesterday the Strontium 84/88 ratio for Bob's object at 0.006746 +/- 0.000002 which is indistinguishable from Earth and the nearby asteroid belt. The other ratio we measured for Strontium is the 87/86 ratio. This ratio for the planet Earth varies from 0.702000 up to 2.50000. If you return a ratio of 0.698800 or lower, you can absolutely conclude that you have an extraterrestrial sample. We measured yesterday at La Jolla the Strontium 87/86 ratio for Bob's object at 0.711933 +/- 0.000026. The concentration for Strontium was 200 parts per billion."
Now, what do we have here? On the surface, it appears that the Sr 87/86 ratio in Bob's object is higher than the threshold value to say that Bob's object is extraterrestrial. Just before I left Reeds Spring a year and a half ago, and after I found that two known Martian meteorites had a Sr 87/86 value higher than Chris MacIssac's threshold value, I finally got an email from him that he was going to alter his threshold value, but that having a Sr 87/86 ratio between two Martian meteorites didn't mean Bob's object came from Mars. The figures for the two meteorites and Bob's object were shown on the recent "UFO Hunters" program on the History Channel.
Do you understand how these numbers are measured? Chris MacIsaac said he was able to separate out Strontium isotopes from the other isotopes in Bob's object using a mass spectrometer and was able to get only 200 parts per billion of Strontium, including all three isotopes. Then he measured the different ratios and made his calculations. In his original analysis of Bob's object, he said he was able to measure 5 parts per mission of Chromium, so why didn't he do the Chromium 53/54 isotope abundance ratios? I think he did, because he used the phrase "we are going to revisit Chromium" in his final fax. He also does tests for NASA and the European Space Agency, so was his actual analysis suppressed?
If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
Dr. Robert H. Gibbons
you're right no Al found in any meteorites.
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Bruno & Carine
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The objects were later identified. They were remnants of the second stage of a Delta 2 rocket that had hurled into orbit a Global Positioning Satellite over four years earlier. The biggest chunk was a large propellant tank. The other pieces were a pressurization sphere and a rocket-exhaust nozzle.