[edit: thanks to kenshiro2012 for letting me know about this thread, you're certainly not one to shy from discussion!)
"I think that part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought," Mr. Bush said. "You're asking me whether or not
people ought to be exposed to different ideas, the answer is yes."
I don't know if its because he's a politician or what, but thats a rather lukewarm endorsement.
I can't see any reason for Intelligent Design to be taugh in schools either. Its not a scientific theory, and its not a scientific research
programme. The existence of the wedge document, mentioned elsewhere in this forum, also shows that the ID movement is something of a front that is not
really interested in teaching ID, but rather wants to literally destroy 'secular, naturalistic science'.
intelligent design was a subject that was discussed in peer reviewed biology journals and evolutionary theory journals, and it was an actual
science rather than a political movement, then
anyone would be on pretty weak grounds for excluding it (almost regardless of its conclusions).
So definitly not in science classes.
I also don't think that it has any place in public schools at all, not even in history of science classes nor philsophy classes, nor really even
comparative religion classes. As far as religion classes, its a minority movement that is little more than a revival of what in the pre-darwin days
was called "paleyean natural theolgoy'. I can't imagine a public school class that is that
detailed, whether its for religion or philsophy
or history of science, and certainly not detialed enough to include this modern revival of natural theology.
As far as teachers teaching whats wrong with creationism, I don't think that they shoudl be doing that either. The subject shouldn't be covered at
all. Creationism is first an foremost a religion. We really
don't want public school teachers explaing why any particular religion is wrong,
and you can't really address creationism in an upfront manner without getting into religion.
way to teach these things is to simply give students a good, strong, thorough education in science, that includes gracity, astronomy,
chemistry, and evolution. Given that
, the students will be able to understand these issues for themselves.
I also think that its underhanded to have a political movement handing out lists of pre-approved questions to 'ask' in a science class, given that
those precise same questions have been answered long before the pamphlets were printed out. THe people handing them out weren't interested in the
answers, they were interested in the politics of it all. But generally if a student asks a question, it should be answered sure, bt its not so cut and
"If we evovled from apes then why are there still apes' is a decent question (if
the class hasn't covered evolution at all. Its a
stunningly basic question, and if you've covered evolution a student shouldnt' even be asking such a question, they should already know whats going
on). And a science teacher can answer it by going over the mechanics of population isolation and the accumulation of differences over time in response
to different environments for the two now seperated populations, etc etc.
However, do we really want biology teachers answering
"If man evolved from apes, then that means that there was no original sin and that jesus's death was unecessary and infact probably didn't happen
doesn't it?"????? I mean, does anyone
actually want open and honest discussion like that in schools???
And to take it a little further, what happens when you have schools with large populations of islamic students in it, say in detroit public schools,
and you are trying to teach biology, and you have fundamentalist students askig about how such and such finding doesn't correlate with the holy
koran, and then has to explain the context of the verse and the students have to be taugh at least the basic components of islamic theology and
islamic scientific thought? Let alone what would happen if some schools start actually teaching out and out Christian Creationism, and then we have
Islamic fundamentalist maddrasses being supported by Public Funds!
[edit on 2-8-2005 by Nygdan]