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Originally posted by Stegosaur
Humans have a tendency to anthropomorphize every little (or, more likely, big) thing they don't understand.
Pixar makes movies about insects who can speak, feel, even overthrow tyrannical Locust Overlords (you only thought they were reptilian), and we laugh and laugh, all the while thinking how comical it is that bugs could ever be like us. They are beneath us, after all, and that is simply absurd.
Yet we look up to the sky, faced with concepts and situations that we cannot control, and we start blathering on and on over the course of human history about gods and goddesses, how jealous this one is, how compassionate that one is, or perhaps that all those characteristics are rolled into one deity/overseer/Demiurge/Universal Force/whatever. We project everything that we observe about ourselves as humans on to what we believe is above us, never once thinking that what is above us may not be human, therefore may not be anything like we expect.
But doing this is comforting to the human psyche because it helps us relate, it enables us to believe that we have it all figured out, that with the appropriate blend of rationalization, intuition, and investigation, we can figure everything out and our little minds will eventually comprehend it.
News flash: If "aliens" are not by definition human, then assuming that they would be "curious enough" about us to warrant observation (regardless of their motivation, whether "good" or "bad") is dangerously erroneous. This stance presupposes that aliens experience cognition in the same paradigm as humans do, which has not thus far been established satisfactorily. So I would hesitate to speculate on their "motives".
I can see it now, the cows all huddled around each other in the barn, nervously discussing the recent "abductions", how those among them who bellowed too loudly and refused to submit were loaded up onto cattle cars and taken to the slaughterhouse in some huge conspiracy.
Meanwhile, the farmer inside is enjoying a nice juicy steak. (Maybe the farmer is you?)
Did you find that amusing? Maybe the aliens do, too.
Perhaps we are putting the cart before the horse here.
Originally posted by zhangmaster
Curiosity fuels invention and I have a hard time believing that any race that has the means for interstellar travel is not curious.
As long as we don't unwaveringly submit to a theory behind their motives without any proof, I don't see why these mental exercises shouldn't continue.
Originally posted by zhangmaster
Yes, I know, I'm just pointing out that curiosity does still play a major role in the inventive process. Perhaps putting the phrase in bold made it seem like I was referring to curiosity as the only fuel.
I'm just wondering now if perhaps the ET's that went to Earth looking for mineral wealth, living space, etc found what they were looking for on our planet, but upon realizing that there was already a thriving society existing, decided not to bother us. Perhaps the masses on their planet wouldn't suport the slaughter of 6 billion people and the potential destruction of their homeworld, but were intrigued by our culture and instead decided to take on the role of the observer.
Half a century of planning is a little extreme if you ask me. Feel free to counter though...you'd have a point if you also said that you believe they've only just begun to visit Earth, and are planning an invasion.
Regarding the gifts of technology: It just seems unlikely in my opinion that an advanced race would give us technology when they know our nature.
If the reasoning behind giving a less advanced race is to wipe it out, then there go the slaves, the planet, and any hopes of colonizing it or using us as a workforce.
By the way, don't take my theories and thoughts as my version of the truth. Next week I could be postulating something like "maybe they're here for immediate gains because Occam's razor would dictate so "
I still think that it is possible that the aliens could well be here for observation alone, which, I should expand to say, might have its base in giving fame and other benefits to the observer. That wouldn't violate Occam's Razor, would it? Anthropologists often study tribes for fame, prestige, money to keep on working, so I guess the same could also be true for aliens that are visiting us...we also have SETI, which was made and operates to "explore, understand and explain the origin, nature and prevalence of life in the universe."
Originally posted by Jeremiah25
I really want to agree with the "aliens as anthropologists" theory, if only to know that some alien also spent 3 years on an Anthropology degree and couldn't find work on his planet either. But I am forced to take the negative side of this argument, an argument you have presented extremely well.
If aliens are here as anthropologists, they are doing a terrible job.
Originally posted by zhangmaster
I feel that the trojan horse idea linked to nuclear weapons is a little weak.
Of course I'm not an alien (at least i wasn't last time I checked) but then again, last month my friends girlfriend who was on acid, screamed out "he's an alien!" upon gazing at me, and locked herself in my car, so who knows . (True story by the way)
I've never looked at SETI from your point of view before, and I appreciate you bringing this up. Although I think it lacks credibility (can you offer proof?) I think it's a real possibility and a sound theory
Hear that knock at your door? That's half of the members at ATS waiting outside so you can take them to your leader. I'm sure some of them will be "chemically altered" as well.