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Originally posted by DigitalGrl
This is a pretty simply concept...
Not all christians are fanatics...fundementalist is not the right word. people misuse that word to mean fanatic but if you look it up thats not what it means, just wanted to clarify that really quick.
anyway as i was saying
Not all muslims are fanatics and not all christians are fanatics, im a christian and i dont want to force anyone to believe anything. to really believe something the person has to believe it in their heart, and i cant make someone believe the concept of God in their heart.
it just seems that there are a ton of fanatics because those are the people that draw the most attention. the news doesnt want to put people on that are just sitting at home reading their bible or qu'ran. they put the people on tv that talk about drinking poison at their church services, or sacrificing their children for the jihad.
their are nuts on both sides...and i must say theyequally piss me off.
for 1. when someone is saying they are a christian and then they go screaming in the street about how the end of the world is coming in 4 days and the great satan is a wendy's employee, as a christian myself it makes it harder on me because when someone hears im a christian they think ..."ooo your one of those people that thinks satan is a wendy's employee". and so im automatically considered unintelligent.
and 2. the fanatical muslims piss me off because they are going around bombing people when they should be trying to help their country get out of poverty.....
See all religions have idiots..because the human race consists of idiotic people...
so the game of...your people are more evil than my people.....is stupid.
i think we should be focusing on ourselves and who we are becoming because if we all took our eyes off our neighboor i think we could all find some things that we needed to work on.
[edit on 10/01/2004 by DigitalGrl]
[edit on 10/01/2004 by DigitalGrl]
" I see, SS, you are also a true believer in your religion. Lying to an infidel is not really lying, it is merely strategic propaganda propagation."
Interesting that the word "Crusade" seems to be a thorn in your side, as you might be afraid that people know that the Crusades were responses to Islamic Jihads in the past.
I see a bit of difference between the two religions. One religion doesn't back up creating a Holy War, while anothe seems to back up this sentiment -
"May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over and over again. Amen."
Saladin could have killed MILLIONS, but instead he chose to tell them, basically 'live in peace, practice whatever religion you will, but respect me and my people who have beaten you, or I'll burn your cities to the ground and leave you amongst the ashes.'
You're right though, the crusades are often mis-represented as being an entirely Christian atrocity.
They attacked Midian just as the Lord had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the Lord your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the Lord your God has given you.
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
Originally posted by Jakomo
But Moses (said) ... Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the Lord your God has given you.
But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded
I think Mecca is a legitimate target for nuclear annihilation
Originally posted by Seekerof
Muslims’ victimhood syndrome
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Jihad does not mean "holy war". It means "to struggle".
[edit on 2-8-2005 by Syrian Sister]
They warred against Midian, as YAHWEH commanded Moses, and killed every male. They killed the kings of Midian ... And the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones; and they took as booty all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. All their cities in the places where they dwelt, and all their encampments, they burned with fire." (Numbers 31:7)
"Moses was enraged with the officers of the army ... ‘So you spared the women! ... Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has had sexual intercourse with a man, but keep the virgins for yourselves ... divide them up evenly.'" (Numbers 31:15)
"Thus says YAHWEH of hosts, 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way, when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.'" And Saul came to the city of Amalek, and lay in wait in the valley. And Saul said to the Kenites, "Go, depart, go down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them." ... So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites. And Saul defeated the Amalekites ... and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword ... And Saul said to Samuel, "I have obeyed the voice of YAHWEH, I have gone on the mission on which YAHWEH sent me, I have brought Agag the king of Amalek , and I have utterly destroyed the Amalekites." (1 Samuel 15:2, 20)
"Now David and his men went up, and made raids upon the Geshurites, the Girzites, and the Amalekites ... And David smote the land, and left neither man nor woman alive, but took away the sheep, the oxen, the asses, the camels, and the garments, and came back to Achish ... And David saved neither man nor woman alive, to bring tidings to Gath, thinking, "Lest they should tell about us, and say, 'So David has done.'" Such was his custom all the while he dwelt in the country of the Philistines." (1 Samuel 27:8)
Originally posted by xmotex
HINT: these aren't from the Koran
There is plenty more to choose from, but I haven't got all day.
[edit on 8/2/05 by xmotex]
Originally posted by American Mad Man
Every Muslim holy site in the ME should be destroyed if a nuclear weapon is used by Islamic terrorists.
Destroy Islam, and the world is better off.