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When will the U.S. fall and how?

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posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 11:09 AM
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I dont know why people think there is going to be a nuclear war. There wont be and probably never will be a nuclear war b/c of MAD. America isn't going anywhere economically because we have to many failsafes put into our markets. There are ways to manipulate our market to increase consumer spending(the driving force behind any economy). And as for oil I believe OPEC just shot themselves in the foot. They decided to decrease their capacity from 37 million barrels to 22 million. Way to go OPEC
IN the 90's there was always a demand but supply was high so to increase cost lets cut the supply. All those idiots did was force the world to search for alternative sources of fuel. And what is going to happen to them when we find one?

Finally if some country or terrorist group where to ever light off a nuclear weapon on American soil it would be the worst thing on earth for everyone. You would just unify the most powerful country once again and see the true military muscle flex. It would not be a pretty sight for who is on the delivery.




posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 11:31 AM
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A refreshing alternative to MAD within the next few years. If given a hundred years or so..............

What if America's fall, was just the fall of the "old America". the America of War and Genocide, slavery, segregation, and imperialism.

As we all kkknow the population of the USA, is slowly becoming more and more brown(percentage wise) By the year 2050 the US census beureau projects that hispanics will make up 25 percent of the population, and mind I do not think this includes the illegal population either. This is just hispanics alone as well. Speaking percentage wise, the only population that will decrease will be "white".

With the rise in indian gaming over the past few years, a signifigant amount of cash has been pumped into the native population like never before. With the money to support themselves now, it should be rather easy for native American's to replennish their population, fairly quickly.

If this were to occur then that could set the stage for the end of America as we know it. A return to power of the native population. A peaceful revolution populated by the Descendents of Americas wronged, raging with the anger that 400 years of racist socio-economic policies bring. This new population changes this rogue nation the only way it can; from the inside.

More and more brown people are elected to local, then state, then federal positions, as is already starting to be seen. Think Gonzalez, Rice, Powell. Slowly as we see the face of politics change, unseen will go the change in business .

Rising numbers of "minority" populations pose a signifigant dilema to traditional multi national corporations. As we see the "society of ownership" grow, we will see a rise in Small business', the decline of the multi national corporation. The very face of business , as thought of as a rich (white) guy in a suit, gone forever.

America's new Population and government will slowly return the lands of it's ancestors to their former glory. Taking on a new fight, this time not a fight to dominate the world, but a fight to return the world to ALL native peoples, free from the bonds of hundreds of years of Economic slavery at the hands of European backed forces. (that still continues to this day)

America Rises like a phoenix from it's ashes to embody what God inspired in our founding fathers, and finish the work that they were all too human to complete........... A nation where ALL people are equal , with liberty and justice for ALL.

[edit on 2-8-2005 by phoenixhasrisin]



posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 01:51 PM
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Edit by SimonGray - Removed a horrible comment by this user.

[edit on 8-8-2005 by SimonGray]



posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 01:56 PM
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Hopefully soon and hopefully hard. We've got it coming and the perfect idiot is in the White House. If there's any one man who has the ability to make an empire crumble, it's that Nerobush in Washington. Or is he still vacationing in Crawford?

Who better to bankrupt and ruin the country because Iraqis needed liberating?



posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 01:56 PM
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[edit on 8-8-2005 by SimonGray]



posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 03:58 PM
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North Americas Or Is It The Worlds End
Well I may have some fresh of the press news on this subject

A top scientific team supposedly has obtained some rock samples from Mars.
Apparently they are being kept in a very very secure underground laboratory in the Mid West.

They have carried out some tests on the Rock samples and one test has got them very worried indeed.
Apparently they put a slice sample into a test slide and added some normal fresh water.
Within 5 minutes all the water had jellified up into a doughy sludge.
They tried this test many times over as well as in salt water but still the same results were reach.

Some scientists at the underground laboratory are very worried because they are saying if a minuet amount gets out into the real world environment and has contact with water there is a real probability it could infect the planets water table.

They have tried many methods to isolate and kill the organism but failed it just keeps on multiplying in the water until its all absorb. They have stored the samples and tests in a vacuumed container to await orders of disposal as they cannot destroy it.

Source A Quote By My Contact
If this stuff gets out into the environment ‘Well. All the worlds’ water will solidify and eventually the sun will evaporate the sludge and the planet will turn into a very large dust bowl.
‘But may I add the effects are much slower on compact ice this may be our only hope.
That’s probably why you can still see some ice deep in the craters of Mars.
There are rumours going around that these sample rocks are so dangerous there are plans to build a
Self-contained unit, which must withstand a large explosion and extreme heat and must be airtight.
Supposedly there has been visit to the underground base by Various Engineering technicians in the space field.

I did ask how they obtained the rock sample but he could not answer that question but he did look very worried about something ells.

I tackled him about what was wrong

Well ‘ I’m worried about the mission to Mars to collect other samples ‘ Well ‘ if we manage to get rid of our samples back into space without any miss haps’ We then have returning to Earth the Mars Mission.
If this capsule breaks up in the earths atmosphere and those rock sample have the same organism on them ‘ Well that’s it for the planet and human life as we know it. This mission must be stopped.

The Above Conversation Supposedly Took Place In A Bar Late At Night After One Too Many.








posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 12:36 PM
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I've spent a good deal of time reading and studying this very subject and continue to do so.............

I see a few key factors that are compromising the US Consitution/Bill of Rights and our way of life as outlined by that document that are on going in the US today which will lead to our demise.....

It started with the Nixon administration when we took the value of US currency off the gold standard..........This allowed us to increase circulation of more money in anticipation of opening markets of free trade..........Remember Nixon's visit to China?

Once we freed up enough capital by circumventing the Bretton Wood gold standard and protected trade...... we then open the competitive market of our production and sale of goods to developing and third world markets........This has resulted in our outsourcing of production to other countries but yet many of these countries struggle to develop a market fast enough for our services so we end up as an overloaded consumer nation with a huge trade deficit with all these countries.........China comes to mind here..........

The unbridled preditory tactics of corporations in the US aspiring to global markets at the alter of profits with no concern to the impact on American society and our national security fuels this free trade process as they contribute heavily to keep those elected in the political process that further their agenda..........

Couple this with the fast shifting demographic of the population within the US. From those most most responsible in contributing to society and having the capablity of providing a quality of life standard to their offspring are having less children and disappearing from the US landscape.....

.....while those individuals with the least education and capablity of carrying on as responsible citizens having the most children.....

......as a result the general population of this country is becoming more of a welfare state rather than having the ablity to pursue life, liberty and happiness on their own accord. We are dumbing down........and becoming more apathic towards the sacrifice and efforts that made this country great.

So our positioning as a dominant society and culture in the 21st century is rotting from both the inside and the outside while political pudits refuse to do anything about it as they position themselves on the inside catering to the masses for votes and on the outside to the gobal corporate vultures that make the contributions to provide them the leverage for the manipulation of those votes...........

Add the big picture to all this here too....

.......consider that the US represents only 5% of the World's population but consumes 27% of the World's oil and up to 70% of other selected resources throughout the World and you can see how we are perceived more as a consumer laden empire rather than a respected republic by the rest of the World's population today............

Okay..........so all this is in place................and it is beginning to catch up with us.............

Now sooner or later we will be in a major World conflict over depleting resources with an out of control World population which could easily escalate to nuclear war (and don't rule out nuclear exchange over the escalation of religious/ideology conflicts either)....................or we will become such a government dependent society that we will abandon our rights and freedom under the US Constitution which will enabling a more oppressive government to take hold of this land.........

I don't think the US will make it to 2020 without a nuclear escalation.........whether it be macilous or by mistake..............if we do avoid the confrontation then some time between 2020 and 2050 our population lays down at the feet of government as says "take away our freedoms.........but just feed us"

So my answer is we end as a republic under the Constitution of the US via nuclear war in ruins within 2 to 12 yrs............

........or we end our republic internally and become more of a socialist or communist type state by 2050.

So sad..........but abuse of political power/monetary internal bank systems of dominance and unchecked preditory capitalism are undermining the wisdom of our founding father's intentions of this country............

So what kind of government did you decide on Ben?....

....."A republic for as long as we can keep it" - Ben Franklin in response to the form of government the first Continental congress voted on.....



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 02:02 AM
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Here is what the modern day prophets say:

The US will use the upcoming natural disasters in Southern California and other places to bring about changes in the country, like martial law, suspension of rights, etc. This will take a while, but as this starts getting really oppressive and people start getting killed because of their religion, then there will be some people who rise up against the government in an insurrection. When the Us government is busy with military intervention of China's attempt to take back Taiwan and with quelling its own internal uprising, then America will be attacked by Russia, China, and several minor player Arab countries. It will be nuclear and catastrophic.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 02:43 AM
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Look out for UK, France, Germany, Australia, India, Pakistan, Canada, Finland, Spain, Italy, Japan to choose US side in your fictional war plot. Ouch.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 02:59 AM
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I think to US will fall as soon as the people who own it decide to invest their money somwhere else.

In my opinion, however, supposing the US fell, it would be the last sovereign(?) country to sit at the top of the food chain. I think that only the UN or an NWO could take it on from there.



posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 08:40 PM
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the U.S is going to fall with the rest ov the world....
its going to be like this
this link has some swearing in it



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 01:56 AM
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Personally , I think it will be from within. It will implode. How do I know this? well Biblical Prophecy doesnt have anything on the US(at least that I will agree on) and we are living in the 'end times', so something has to take us out of the picture unless you believe we are the whore of babylon.


Implosion and something so huge that we immediately fall off the world scene.

Asteriod?

Nuke Attack?

Disease?


I just dont know.....



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 02:42 AM
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When?, who without first hand knowledge knows for sure. Just the fact nuclear devices may have been available through North Korea, Russia and possibly Pakistan or even Iran makes 'when' anytime, unless your sure the security of their WMD are well placed under strict security or the U.S.A. isn't a target.

How?, I suspect it will happen from within the target country through smuggling of WMD through a weak or less secured port of entry.

Plan of retaliation is something I wonder about. What can be done if the government knows not where the device(s) came from?

Dallas



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 02:43 AM
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the only problem i have with the fall of USA is that it will probably drag the whole world along to the botomless pit with it....i meant to say "IT ALREADY IS DRAGGING....". So when it lits up, i belive there is a good possibility, the whole world will lit up like a christmas tree.

but will it fall? Absolutely. Show me one empire that didnt.

peace



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 03:43 AM
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The Fall of the US.

The worlds last superpower to fall was the USSR.

The fall of the USSR was brought about by the collapse of a small number of key parts of its fragile economy after a change in leadership, and - if you beleive the neo conservative and islamic extremist hype - the failing war against islamic insurgents in the middle east.

Since the loss of the .com stock bubble corporate America has been de-stablised, notable casulaties include Enron and Worldcom, and continues to languish in recession since the current administration came to power.

Add to that: the chronic restriction placed on the economy by the current energy policy; the failing domestic policy and the attempts to introduce more draconian controls on the population; and foreign policy that can only lead to the loss of all political capital abroard, it appears the decline has already begun.



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 04:59 PM
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I remember reading somewhere that if California has another BIG Earthquake, the San Andras fault will shatter and it will seperate California from the main body of the continant and fall into the sea. Couple that with the explosion of Yellow Stone volcano and you have yourself a bad day.



posted on Aug, 9 2005 @ 10:12 AM
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Whether it will fall at all remains to be seen. In terms of global powers there have only existed a few: first there was Spain until it lost its war with the Netherlands in 1621, then the British around the turn of the century, and now the US.

Spain lost its empire through conflicts with pirates, English, and the Dutch as well as some bankruptcy issues. Britain lost its power due to revolting of China and India and the eventual aquistions made by the US during the US Spanish War which turned the US into a global force. WWII destroyed anything left that the British had. The US on the other hand is not at all threatened by any one particular military force in the world and has no 'colonies'.

Warfaring has always been the ultimate demise of powerful nations. I don't think too many stand a chance against the US. So name the nations that you think could ally to defeat the US.




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