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Originally posted by Valhall
Wait a minute...let's not start lobbing barbs here. Because if we do I'll point out that where subz lives they just jump three at a time on top of you and pump somewhere between 5 and 8 shots in the back of your head - thereby alleviating the need for transport, confinement, charges, trial or conviction.
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
What do you think of that, subz. It's kind of a paradox, don't you think.
Originally posted by Valhall
I think Grady has brought up something that makes the story make a little less sense. If the implication is that the prosecutors are in some way being given directives and the commission has been hand-picked to make sure convictions occur - why would they allow Mori to defend with the apparent gusto he is portrayed with in this article? If you truly want a Kangaroo court, you don't have Captain America installed as the defendant's attorney.
Originally posted by subz
The higher ranked, and vocal the defence council is, the more apparent integrity you lend to the Kangaroo Court.
Prison Abuse Decisions Came from the Top
Washington, DC - The prison torture decisions "came from the top," asserts Robert Weiner, a former Clinton White House senior public affairs official. "No matter where these prisons are, so long as our policy is the same, torture will take place - closing Guantánamo or Abu Ghraib will not stop the outbreak of abuses and torture."
In an op-ed in today's Cleveland Plain Dealer, Weiner, now president of a public affairs issues strategies company, contends, "The orders to torture came from the top down. In the pyramid of power, first and foremost was President Bush's Jan. 25, 2002 executive order disavowing the Geneva Conventions for the 'new' kind of war we are fighting. Moreover, then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzalez (now Attorney General) assisted in writing the 2002 memo, which also asserted that the Geneva Conventions - respected worldwide - were 'quaint' and 'obsolete.' Last May, before all our eyes in televised hearings, Department of Defense Under Secretary for Intelligence Dr. Stephen Cambone, who coordinates DOD intelligence policy, visibly waived off and interrupted key parts of Major General Antonio Taguba's testimony before the U.S. Senate on the depths of abuses."
Weiner and Dick assert, "Torturing prisoners, making people pile up naked, electric shock in private areas, using vicious dogs to bite, holding people in secret in perpetuity and denying them access to their families and the legal process are not the human rights values this nation stands for. As prisoners' families, colleagues and countrymen hear of the abuses, support swells rather than diminishes for Jihad against us. We have dramatically reduced our national reputation as a human rights leader."
The Foreign Minister Alexander Downer says the Government is happy with official advice it has received from Washington clearing the US military commission of any claims of fraud.
There has been criticism of the commission - which is trying Australian detainee David Hicks - after leaked emails from two of the commission's former prosecutors showed they believed the commission process was fraudulent and was rigged.
These are either PoW's so they should be treat with respect of the Geneva convention and subject to military tribunals such as this.
Or they are civilian criminals and should be given public criminal trials. Not a mishmash of both.
JOHN HOWARD, PRIME MINISTER: We went to very great lengths about a year, 18 months ago, to secure changes in the military commission procedure and we were satisfied and we remain satisfied that the changes made in the military commission procedure would produce a fair outcome.
NARDA GILMORE: The Opposition is not convinced.
KEVIN RUDD, OPPOSITION FOREIGN AFFAIRS SPOKESMAN: It's time for the Government to take action on this, to ensure that this individual is provided with a fair trial. All Australians would want that to happen.
TRACY BOWDEN: Captain Willee's comments, which he stresses are personal views, follow the release of emails sent by two US military prosecutors. One of them, Captain John Carr wrote to his superiors:
"I expected there would be at least a minimal effort to establish a fair process and diligently prepare cases against significant accused. Instead, I find a half-hearted and disorganised effort to prosecute fairly low-level accused in a process that appears to be rigged."
TRACY BOWDEN: The Federal Government today tried to play down the significance of the latest claims.
JOHN HOWARD, PRIME MINISTER: Our ambassador spoke again to the Pentagon last night, our time, and the head of the Military Commission operation said that those allegations had been extensively investigated over a two-month period.
RADIO ANNOUNCER: 774 ABC MELBOURNE By whom?
JOHN HOWARD: Well, by the people against whom the allegations were made.
KERRY O'BRIEN: Let's go through the critics systemically. First the two military prosecutors. Not one, but two, people charged with building the prosecution case against Hicks and others who have said they wanted out of that process because the process was thoroughly corrupted. The Hicks trial rigged. Presumably, that didn't help their careers. So they must have felt pretty strongly about that. But that hasn't given you any cause for concern?
ALEXANDER DOWNER: Well, it gave us - of course I hadn't and I don't think Philip Ruddock had been aware of these emails which go back - these emails were apparently sent in March 2004.
KERRY O'BRIEN: Last year.
ALEXANDER DOWNER: Yeah, last year. What we've done is gone back to the Americans and asked them for an explanation. The Americans have told us, and we just got a reply back from them, or at least a cable from our embassy in Washington during the course of today, the Americans have told us that they had a full investigation into the allegations made in those emails, including by the Inspector General of Defence, there was a very thorough, a very thorough investigation into these allegations because amongst the material in these emails are very serious allegations. And um, the Americans have told us that those investigations cleared the Military Commission process. So that -
KERRY O'BRIEN: This was the military investigating itself, Mr Downer, against serious charges of corrupting the process.
AUSTRALIAN people should pressure the Government to push the United State to release terror suspect David Hicks, a British lawyer said today.
Louise Christian, who represented three British terror suspects detained and later released from the a US facility at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, said the proposed US military commissions were blatantly unfair.
Hicks, from Adelaide, has been held in US detention in Guantanamo Bay for more than three years.
He now faces trial before the US military commission, accused of conspiracy to attack civilians, attempted murder of coalition forces and aiding the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Ms Christian said Guantanamo Bay was totally illegal under international law and had been described by one British appeal court judges as a legal black hole.
Originally posted by Pyros
Once again..........they are neither.
Originally posted by DruidTek
I'm not surprised by this at all, in fact I'm certain it is going to be the way of the future. Will Bush or his admin. ever be charged with war crimes now that it's proven that no WOMD were in Iraq? No, I don't think so!
But that decision was overturned last month on appeal, allowing the Bush administration to make plans to restart military commissions.
As expected, the Hamdan team has now escalated the case to the Supreme Court.
In papers filed today, the lawyers write that Americans and the rest of the world should be able to rest assured that this controversial legal process has been reviewed at the highest levels.
The Bush administration will now give the Supreme Court a response and then the justices will decide whether to hear the case.