first of all People have to stop thinking that ROMAN stands and means ROMAN CATHOLIC of which is in Rome now and is the head of the church.
This was not so before 1054....There was no HEAD OF THE CHURCH.....Jesus Christ said He was and He was the cornerstone.......giving authority to His
Apostles to Build the Church upon the faith of Saint Peter who recognized Jesus Christ as the Son of God/The Messiah that was prophesied ....to
complete the CHURCH of the Old Testament(which was still in use ''sacrificial Law'' ) Jesus Christ had to fullfill the Old Testament Law ...On
25. Pascha (Passover) and the Exodus from Egypt........
QUOTE///Before the tenth plague, the Lord commanded the Hebrews to choose for each family a lamb that was one year old, slaughter it, cook it and eat
it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs, without breaking any of its bones.
They were then to smear the blood of the lamb onto the lintel and doorposts of their houses. The Hebrews did as God commanded them........Law of
God...to avoid the penalty all who listened were SAVED.......
Since Adam and Eve did sin......the CHURCH also broke away....Garden of Eden was that Church.....Only ONE LAW was given to Adam and Eve.....The Law
was to abstain from that ONE TREE(Church commandments, as ancient as the Church itself — the commandment about abstention, i.e. about fasting.
"do not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil"
So when the woman saw that the fruit was good, she ate ......quote///"The lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life" —
the holy fathers call this the "triple temptation," used by the devil at the dawn of ages in relation to Eve......more below
Why Did the Lord God Permit the First Man to Fall into Sin?
Almighty God, without a doubt, could have prevented the fall of the first people, but He did not wish to stifle their freedom, because it is not in
His nature to distort His own image in man. The image and likeness of God is expressed in the free will of man.
more from here....
Especially the part of the God of the Old Testament being a different and lesser God then the New Testament that Jesus called Father.
Of the above quote , Which part of the God of the Old Testament is a different and Lesser God ,then the New Testament ?
The God of the Old Testament and the New Testament are both ONE and the same..The Old Testament is FULL of prophecy concerning the MESSIAH who is
Jesus Christ ,The Annointed ONE....
All the Old Testament Prophets spoke of the MESSIAH.....the ANNOINTED ONE..
Jesus Christ mentioned Moses...
Jesus Christ names Moses as the author of Pentateuch: "If you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me" (John 5:46,
Mark 12:26; John 7:23). The Pentateuch itself depicts Moses as having written extensively (see Ex. 17:14, 24:4, 34:27, Num. 33:2, Deut. 31:24). Acts
7:22 tells us that "Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians.
" In the notes accompanying the text we observe a number of loan-words from Egyptian that are found in Genesis, a fact which suggests that the
original author had his roots in Egypt, as did Moses.
Deuteronomy identifies the book's content with Moses: "These are the words which Moses spoke to all Israel" (1:1).
"Moses wrote this law and delivered it to the priests" (31:9) may well refer to his writing of the entire book as well.
"Moses" name appears nearly forty times in the volume, and the book clearly reflects Moses’ personality.
The first person pronoun used freely throughout its pages further supports Mosaic authorship.
Both Jewish and Samaritan tradition are unanimous in identifying Moses as the author.
In the post-exilic writings the Law, or Torah, was often attributed directly to Moses (Neh. 8:1; 2 Chr. 25:4; 35:12).
Also Apostles Peter and Stephen Christ acknowledges Moses as the author of the book's content (Matt. 19:7; Mark 10:3-4; Acts 3:22; 7:37).
Jesus taught a different God. The Jews believe in a God that required a blood offering. The True God does not require this.
Again this is wrong.....Jesus Christ did not teach about a different God .....
The Blood sacrifice is ''of things to come'' the Sacrificial lamb in the Old Testament becomes Jesus Christ ....He is that ''Sacrificial
lamb''..read the Old Testament Passover....which means quote/// "passing by," "passover," or "deliverance from misfortune" — the angel of
death passed over the Hebrew dwellings....see above web site eg 25. Pascha (Passover) and the Exodus from Egypt....
The Jews fear their God. The true God also sends his angels. he is of spirit. he has no form. but he sends his messengers.
notice john 8-44 what he tells the Jews. " You are of your father the devil...
Jesus Christ was a Jew ....Did He fear Himself?
Jesus Christ tells these Jews '' "If God were your Father, you would love Me....You are of your father the devil...." (vss. 42,44)
continues next verse/"...the desires of your father you want to do....there is no truth in him....But because I tell you the truth, you do not
believe Me..." (vss. 44,45)
Why does He say this?
The devil was and "...is a liar and the father of it" (vs. 44).
The final form of opposition to the Lord is to dishonor Him. "...I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me" (vs. 49)
FROM .....(John 8:12-59)
quote ///“I have been telling you about Myself right from the start” or: “Didn’t I call Myself the Son of God — right from the beginning?
And thus I am He.” Continuing His sermon on the sad moral state of the Jewish people, the Lord explains that He has to do this, inasmuch as the One
Who sent Him is the very truth, and He has to give witness to the truth that He heard from Him. ...............
The non-believers appeared to have understood the Lord’s words literally — of the natural, physical death — and again found a reason to accuse
Him of being possessed: “Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead?”.....
The Lord answers that He is not glorifying Himself, but is glorified by His Father, Whom He knows and Whose word He fulfils.
He then shows His predominance over Abraham by, as though saying to the Jews: “Yes, I am greater than your father Abraham,
for I was the subject of his expectations during his earthly life, and upon his death, was the subject of his joy — in Heaven”: “he saw it and
Referring to the Lord’s reference to Abraham’s earthly life, the Jews — here too — find incongruity with the aim to inflict another reproach
on the Lord: “You are not 50 years old and You have seen Abraham?”
The Lord responds to this censure with a decisive answer, which would be understood even by the Pharisees that were blinded by their own hatred:
“Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM,” i.e. “I am more ancient than Abraham himself, because I am — Eternal God.”
Conversation With the Jews in the Temple.
I did not mean to say anything bad about the Jews, what I am saying is that their God they followed was one you had to offer blood sacrifice too. The
Jews are who they are, and I respect that.
Yes the Old Testament Prophets followed the Old Law....which was of Moses, which is the God of the Old and New Testament....God took Flesh and became
man, so the Curse of the Old can be broken through the sacrifice of Christ who is the Lamb of the Old Testament........
parable of the sower clearly shows what happen)
as for loss of immortality " A Flaming sword to block the way to the tree of life"
Parable of the sower.
(Mat. 13:1-23; Mark 4:1-20; Luke 8:4-15).
n this parable, the Lord envisages Himself as being the Sower, the seeds as His Divine Words and the soil upon which they are sown,
as the hearts of listeners.
The Lord cogently reminded them of their native fields — interrupted by a road running through them - of which some sections were overgrown with
thorny bushes (brambles),
while others were covered with only a thin layer of soil.
The sowing is a magnificent example of the preaching of God’s Word, which, in falling on a heart, remains either sterile or brings forth a big or a
small harvest — depending on its state...........
Also ....A Flaming sword to block the way to the tree of life"
Read also....Flaming Sword after the Flood...
Quote///sword in its place” said the Lord to Peter, “for all who take the sword will perish by the sword” — of course, this is not a prophesy
but merely a commandment of God's truth,
of a general nature: he who attacks another with the intention of killing or wounding him, deserves this himself.
This is the same thought that is contained in the commandment given after the Flood: “Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be
shed” (Gen. 9:6).
Her Divine Son: “yes, a sword will pierce through Your
come to bring peace but a sword” (Mat. 10:34); these words
the high priests with his sword and then runs away, who
moneybag and buying a knife (or sword), must obviously not be
shall we strike with the sword?” impatient Peter drew his
impatient Peter drew his sword an struck one of the servants,
Luke 22:51). “Put your sword in its place” said the Lord
Peter, “for all who take the sword will perish by the sword” —
sword will perish by the sword” — of course, this is not
Sorry if Ive mixed you up.....
go to the web site for better explanation.....Click on the right side for the exact verse ....which will give the exact explanation of the above short
The Sword was that which drove Adam and Eve away from Paradise...
That is why Jesus Christ says He comes with a Sword.....
How can we know these texts were not forged or made up?
I have read where there was a lot of forgeries in those early days.
How can we know?
Read the Whole book .......The Bible....Beginning with a humble mind and as if God is talking to you.
Dont listen to other's or what is written by many that want the TRUTH not be known.
If you have ''read'' there were forgeries in THOSE EARLY days, then what makes you think that what you read TODAY is any better?
Gnostic teachings were around in the early centuries and now they have come back with a vengeance......so it is up to you solely to understand the
WORD of God.
You have to make up your own mind and decide for yourself what that TRUTH is.
And before I forget, Gnostic teachings on the Da vinchi code........
Quote///The New Testament books were evaluated by those in authority on an on-going basis from the beginning. However the Council of Carthage made a
local pronouncement confirming the authenticity of the 27 books of the New Testament. This was a local ruling.
The 5/6th Ecumenical Councils finally confirmed the ruling of the Council of Carthage...more here..
As it is written........
There is none righteous no not one: (Rom. 3:10)
For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. (Rom. 3:23)
For He hath made Him [Jesus] to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. (II Cor. 5:21)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Eph. 2:8-9)
AND....In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Gen. 1:1)
For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word [Jesus], and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (I Jn. 5:7)
God said undo Moses, I AM THAT I AM... (Ex. 3:14)
The Gospel of Saint John..chapter 1 :3
1/In the Beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the WORD was God.
2/The same was in the beginning with God.
3/All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made.
Sorry, I know long post.
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