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Originally posted by LA_Maximus
boogyman, name (1) Liberty that you PERSONALLY have lost since 9/11.
Name just (1) that you had before 9/11 and is now lost.
I can't think of any, unless your name is Akmed and your a visiting student from Pakistan. Than your gonna be jacked up at the airport with good reason. Other than that, it seems like your railing against our government for no good reason.
Originally posted by rawiea
Your Liberties are history now. What we have lost is gone forever. Try to keep what you still have. No US Cabinet Department wants to lose what it has, so Congress will keep the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) well stocked with former American Liberties.
It doesn't matter when or if it ends. People will put up with quite a bit for a false sense of security. How many times have you heard of businesses paying criminals "Protection Money" not to rob them? Just that example is in dozens of movies because it has happened, probably still does in places.
When does the War on terror (or the struggle against extremism for that matter) end?
Do you really want your Liberties back? Next couple of elections, try to vote for the Third Party Candidates who share your concerns. Get your friends to, also. Only when we get a new Government through the Ballot Box will you see a return of the Liberties you asked about. Oh, there will be small victories, giving some of them back--conditionally, I think. Will they outweigh what we still have to lose?
By the way, I capitalized Liberties for a reason.
[edit on 29-7-2005 by rawiea]
Originally posted by HowardRoark
Originally posted by launchpad
In most cases the original owner gets SCREWED so that the corporation can clean up.
I should know I am going through it right now in Colorado Springs for the corporation owned toll road. I just purchased my 2.5 acre/ 3 bd/ 2 bath place in DEC 04 as a retirement property for ~$150K and immediately invested about $20K more- this week i got papers telling me my "just compensation was going to be around $800 an acre for a grand total of only $2000 to include the house".
Plans for a road project don't get made and competed in 7 months time. They usually take several years. This indicates to me several possibilities.
1) you are lying (sorry, no insult intended, but I have no way of verifying what you are claiming). However, for now I will assume that you are telling the truth.
2) You failed to do your homework on the property before purchasing. Did you have the property appraised before you purchased it?
Was it financed by a local bank or mortgage company?
All of these people should have known about this before you purchased the property.
or 3) you are the victem of fraud. If the previous owner (or the real estate agent) knew that the road was coming through and did not disclose this to you, then you are the victim of fraud. I would suggest that you consult a lawyer. It wouldn't be hard to prove that they knew about it. There would have been articles in the local paper, mailings from the county to the property owners, other real estate sale in the area, etc.
Originally posted by GREGNOW
BELGRATH, i can not even believe you are comparing the Jews being forced out of their homes and rounded onto trains to what is going on in America just because they are searching more bags in certain areas like the NYC subway. No one is rounding up american's and doing anything to them. If it does happen then people will fight it. but it isn't happening. Only thing happening is little things that are being put into action to try and safegaurd our way of life here a little better.
Originally posted by HowardRoark
Launchpad, were your provded with a copy of one of these?
What did they indicate in section H?
Like I said, you may have reasonable grounds for a lawsuit if it can be shown that the previous owner had prior knowledge of the condemnation before selling you the property.
The FRTRC incorporated in 1986 with this idea. I guess there was some outcry then. And again in the 1990s when there were rumblings about it. And each time Mr. Wells and the FRTRC went underground. When I moved here in 2000 I heard nothing about it. Then HB05-1030 (written by the FRTRC's lobbyist) was introduced on 12 January 2005, testified on, and passed the House Transportation Committee on 2 February 2005, and passed the full house on 8 February 2005. All without anyone being notified. Most of us learned about it when the papers ran stories about it after passing the House with headlines like "Front Range Toll Road Passes Hurdle." I know I said, "What Front Range Toll Road?" and then looked at the map.
My "representative", Deb Stafford, said that she voted for the bill because she'd heard no public outcry against it. She has since, of course. But I don't know of anyone who knew anything about this before the House voted for it. If nothing else, I imagine that there are a lot of people out here who will now study every bill that's introduced. So we're going to be more politically aware, which is probably a good thing.
In Mr. Wells testimony to the House, he showed a 20-year-old map of the area, he said only 200 people would be affected, he characterized the people as "starving ranchers willing to give up their land." We've seen prices of $200-$1000/acre bantered around and know that land is going for a lot more than that around here. That seems underhanded, especially using the old map
Why Isn't the Front Range Toll Road listed on My Title Search or Title Insurance?
Under Colorado Statute, 7-45-101, Annotated: "Moreover, as long as the power to locate a road remains unexerted, the lands upon which the exercise of the right may ultimately cast the easement are uncertain, and no given tract or parcel of land can be designated as charged with the easement. (Riddell v. Animas Canon Toll Rd. Co., 5 Colo. 230 .)
So, this seems to say that until an actual route is registered, we're all up in the air as to where the road will go. Only after it's stated where the road will go does an actual easement exist.
You have voted kozmo for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.
Originally posted by kozmo
N-E-V-E-R! You will never get your liberties back as long as you continue to elect either Republicans or Democrats into office. First you need to understand that there really is NO two-party system in this country. They are working together on their global agenda and unfortunately, your liberties are NOT a part of that program. Quite the contrary... your LACK of liberties is EXACTLY what they are counting on to implement their program. Until the "Sheeple" of the United States wake up, yank their heads out of their arses and DEMAND a real change in government, we're ALL cooked! Say goodnight, Irene!